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Anyone cancelling their trips/holidays to USA

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Petuniaspetal · 28/02/2025 20:24

Have to be honest since trump won i wasn't going anyway. But anyone cancelling or going elsewhere?
I have a big birthday this year, I would go to the garbage dump rather than support America,/musk in any way. I know therwmis at least half of America that doesn't.support this shxt and for them I am sorry but for the republicans too spineless and self interested to resist their dictator.trump...not one iota of sympathy for the rising prices loss of Medicaid or medicare.

YABU ..to cancel/Not go
YANBU...wouldn't touch it with a bargepole

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ThisFluentBiscuit · 01/03/2025 05:55

I'm shocked at the people saying they won't visit immediate family in the States because of Trump. That is ridiculous, if that's the only reason. I could understand it if Trump is a convenient excuse, but if you love your family and have no problems with them, why would you hurt them that way! That's just awful.

OneLemonDog · 01/03/2025 05:56

ThisFluentBiscuit · 01/03/2025 05:35

It's the bar and restaurant servers on $2 per hour basic wage that will suffer. Trump won't care if people boycott. He's about to get his paws on Ukraine's minerals, after all. 😠

Plus, the US economy isn't dependent on foreign visitors. It's less 2.97% of GDP. The US is a very rich country and a tiny amount of people not coming will make no difference at all, so you might as well go there and enjoy all the incredible things it has to offer.

Tourism isn't the only thing being boycotted, I was just responding to that specific issue.

Yes, boycotts might hurt US workers, but with Trump threatening to weaponize the US's economy to destroy ours in Canada (with the ultimate end goal of annexation), I'm more concerned about spending as much as I can within Canada, to try and ease the economic pain as best we can, and help our workers get by.

An added plus is, if the US economy takes a hit and people start losing their jobs, that could pressure Trump to reverse course.

OneLemonDog · 01/03/2025 06:00

ThisFluentBiscuit · 01/03/2025 05:42

Exactly - thank you. And why make low-paid servers and other service workers suffer. Those are the people who will feel it.

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Because Trump (and therefore, the US's) actions are hurting our workers. Asking us to show solidarity to American workers is absurd.

And, of course, you flagged the US's enormous wealth, perhaps they could use a small peice of it to take care of their own.

CerysThomas · 01/03/2025 06:01

I renewed my travel insurance yesterday and it doesn’t cover America. No one could pay me enough to go there. Slava Ukraini.

CerysThomas · 01/03/2025 06:02

ThisFluentBiscuit · 01/03/2025 05:55

I'm shocked at the people saying they won't visit immediate family in the States because of Trump. That is ridiculous, if that's the only reason. I could understand it if Trump is a convenient excuse, but if you love your family and have no problems with them, why would you hurt them that way! That's just awful.

Flights travel both ways.

Boohoo76 · 01/03/2025 06:03

I work for a U.S. company. Would you like me to leave my job?! No, I won’t be boycotting the U.S. because I talk to huge numbers of Americans who hate Trump. One of my colleagues cried on the day of the election win.

CerysThomas · 01/03/2025 06:07

Huzzahs · 28/02/2025 22:15

Genuine and hopefully not goady question for those boycotting America - do you the same standards when considering holidays to oppressive regimes like Dubai or UAE, or countries in Europe with far right Parties in charge like Hungary, Italy or the Czech Republic?

Yes. Exactly the same standards.

CerysThomas · 01/03/2025 06:14

Saturdaynightlive · 28/02/2025 23:01

You can't write a country off. Here in Washington state ( blue state), things are calm,friendly, and beautiful as ever.

Trump and Vance wrote Ukraine off last night. So as a UK citizen, I absolutely can write the USA off my travel list.

ThisFluentBiscuit · 01/03/2025 06:19

OneLemonDog · 01/03/2025 06:00

Because Trump (and therefore, the US's) actions are hurting our workers. Asking us to show solidarity to American workers is absurd.

And, of course, you flagged the US's enormous wealth, perhaps they could use a small peice of it to take care of their own.

How is Trump hurting UK workers?

About serving staff, there's also currently a thread trending about the bad service in UK bars and restaurants. Servers are way more motivated to provide good service in the States, because they have the opportunity to make way, way more in tips than UK workers could ever make on their fixed server wages. Serving staff make about $50k per year, although the range given on Glass Door is 46-110k. It's seen as a proper job with a wage you can live on. A fixed server wage is never going to provide that kind of money. If you were to magically get rid of the tipping culture overnight, there would be millions of people unable to afford their lives and who would have no hope of earning that much in those jobs ever again. Staff get rewarded for a job well done. I don't see what's bad about that. Maybe it seems bad to people who don't know the US well because they see tipping as an insecure form of income, but it's really not, because the system is deeply ingrained in US culture and people abide by it. Hence the very high pay for US servers as opposed to UK servers.

Of course, someone in rural South Dakota is going to make much less than a server in New York. It does vary.

ThisFluentBiscuit · 01/03/2025 06:21

OneLemonDog · 01/03/2025 05:56

Tourism isn't the only thing being boycotted, I was just responding to that specific issue.

Yes, boycotts might hurt US workers, but with Trump threatening to weaponize the US's economy to destroy ours in Canada (with the ultimate end goal of annexation), I'm more concerned about spending as much as I can within Canada, to try and ease the economic pain as best we can, and help our workers get by.

An added plus is, if the US economy takes a hit and people start losing their jobs, that could pressure Trump to reverse course.

When you say "ours in Canada," our what in Canada? Not following...

OneLemonDog · 01/03/2025 06:25

ThisFluentBiscuit · 01/03/2025 06:19

How is Trump hurting UK workers?

About serving staff, there's also currently a thread trending about the bad service in UK bars and restaurants. Servers are way more motivated to provide good service in the States, because they have the opportunity to make way, way more in tips than UK workers could ever make on their fixed server wages. Serving staff make about $50k per year, although the range given on Glass Door is 46-110k. It's seen as a proper job with a wage you can live on. A fixed server wage is never going to provide that kind of money. If you were to magically get rid of the tipping culture overnight, there would be millions of people unable to afford their lives and who would have no hope of earning that much in those jobs ever again. Staff get rewarded for a job well done. I don't see what's bad about that. Maybe it seems bad to people who don't know the US well because they see tipping as an insecure form of income, but it's really not, because the system is deeply ingrained in US culture and people abide by it. Hence the very high pay for US servers as opposed to UK servers.

Of course, someone in rural South Dakota is going to make much less than a server in New York. It does vary.

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The UK, if it doesn't face tariffs, won't take such a direct hit, but if the EU is hit (as Trump has promised), there will be an indirect economic impact.

Increased defence spending is also realistically going to be needed, and will need to be rapid so, while the initial funding has been drawn from cutting aide spending, I fully expect tax increases.

Then, of course, there's the huge increased threat of war on the continent, which affects everyone in the UK.

Add on top of that, Musk weaponising his propaganda machine to destabilize the UK government, in favour of extreme right-wing parties who, I dare say, would be abysmal for workers' rights.

OneLemonDog · 01/03/2025 06:25

ThisFluentBiscuit · 01/03/2025 06:21

When you say "ours in Canada," our what in Canada? Not following...

Our economy.

ThisFluentBiscuit · 01/03/2025 06:33

Futurehappiness · 01/03/2025 00:05

Very sadly (because it is a country I already respected & of which I consider myself a friend) I can't go to the US at the moment. I know there are many many good people there; but evil has the upper hand there at the moment and as a nation they are at risk of descending into the abyss.

One lesson from history: Germany prior to WWll was not some backwater; it was at the heart of Europe, a centre of civilisation and culture. Yet it descended into evil. If it could happen there it can really happen everywhere.

I was thinking the same thing about Germany lately. It was such a seat of incredible learning and culture that it really defies belief how Hitler got into power. It has long traditions of world-class art, writing, music. How a thug like Hitler ever got a toe-hold, I'll never know.

They've just had a general election and their far-right party is now the second-biggest faction. Just terrible.

OneLemonDog · 01/03/2025 06:34

This touches on the negative effects to the UK economy from tarrifs on our trading partners:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgy1lerlpko

And that's before taking into account the defence and national security issues.

If people want to help protect the UK economy, their best bet is holidaying in the UK or in the EU.

ThisFluentBiscuit · 01/03/2025 06:35

OneLemonDog · 01/03/2025 06:25

Our economy.

Do we export a lot to Canada, then?

OneLemonDog · 01/03/2025 06:35

ThisFluentBiscuit · 01/03/2025 06:33

I was thinking the same thing about Germany lately. It was such a seat of incredible learning and culture that it really defies belief how Hitler got into power. It has long traditions of world-class art, writing, music. How a thug like Hitler ever got a toe-hold, I'll never know.

They've just had a general election and their far-right party is now the second-biggest faction. Just terrible.

And, of course, the far right party were promoted by Musk and Vance.

Petuniaspetal · 01/03/2025 06:36

A typical empty headed maga response. 🙄

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OneLemonDog · 01/03/2025 06:38

Petuniaspetal · 01/03/2025 06:36

A typical empty headed maga response. 🙄

They seem to have understood "America First" as meaning everyone, worldwide, should put America first.

Petuniaspetal · 01/03/2025 06:42

TankFlyBossW4lk · 01/03/2025 03:33

Trump will go for another term. I'm sure. Despite the rules allowing only 2 terms.

This is absolutely the case. Personally if old.goat lives for another 50 years and stays on as president I won't be going back.

On a more serious note, they have already started the process for permitting a third term and absolutely will be embedding voting manipulations as they did in the most recent election.

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Bumble6 · 01/03/2025 06:42

Presumably a lot of people on here won't be visiting many other countries either due to their politics too.

ThisFluentBiscuit · 01/03/2025 06:42

OneLemonDog · 01/03/2025 06:25

The UK, if it doesn't face tariffs, won't take such a direct hit, but if the EU is hit (as Trump has promised), there will be an indirect economic impact.

Increased defence spending is also realistically going to be needed, and will need to be rapid so, while the initial funding has been drawn from cutting aide spending, I fully expect tax increases.

Then, of course, there's the huge increased threat of war on the continent, which affects everyone in the UK.

Add on top of that, Musk weaponising his propaganda machine to destabilize the UK government, in favour of extreme right-wing parties who, I dare say, would be abysmal for workers' rights.

I understand now. All true. But based on a lot of ifs and buts though, wouldn't you say? And indirect effects. This summer, if not as many people go to the US, the staff in the tourist trade will definitely feel it immediately, while the protest won't much of a dent in the US economy.

There are many places in the world I don't go on holiday due to their appalling human rights abuses, like China and India. Although Chinese-made products are pretty difficult to avoid. And I'm sure they have enough visitors not to care about losing my tourist money. I still prefer not to go there for moral reasons, so I logically understand where you're coming from, although I don't think the US is anything like in the same category as those countries. The truth is, if you don't live in a given country and have no vote, it's not really possible to influence their politics.

Takoneko · 01/03/2025 06:43

ThisFluentBiscuit · 01/03/2025 06:35

Do we export a lot to Canada, then?

Who is we? The person you are replying to is Canadian. They are talking about their own economy in Canada.

ThisFluentBiscuit · 01/03/2025 06:45

Takoneko · 01/03/2025 06:43

Who is we? The person you are replying to is Canadian. They are talking about their own economy in Canada.

OH! Thanks for clearing that up. I just assumed the poster was British, seeing as it's a British site with overwhelmingly British posters. No wonder I was confused!

OneLemonDog · 01/03/2025 06:47

Takoneko · 01/03/2025 06:43

Who is we? The person you are replying to is Canadian. They are talking about their own economy in Canada.

British living in Canada, but thanks.

Takoneko · 01/03/2025 06:47

ThisFluentBiscuit · 01/03/2025 06:45

OH! Thanks for clearing that up. I just assumed the poster was British, seeing as it's a British site with overwhelmingly British posters. No wonder I was confused!

I think that’s why they added the “in Canada” so that people would understand that they aren’t in the uk. It is pretty early for a Saturday though.