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Woman 19 dies in dog attack

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Matrixremooted · 27/02/2025 14:10

Woman 19 dies in dog attack in Bristol

Apologies if there’s already a thread on this, but how many more lives have to be taken in these horrific attacks before the Government admit that the current measures are failing. It surely has come to the point now that all XL Bullies should be euthanised.

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HornyHornersPinger · 27/02/2025 16:16

EnjoythemoneyJane · 27/02/2025 14:53

Isn’t the problem with these animals (beyond their ridiculously dangerous size and strength) that a high percentage of them in this country are related to a fighting stud dog called ‘Killer Kimbo’, making them genetically unstable and unpredictably reactive?

If this case there’s no solution other than to wipe out the bloodline - sad as that may be for the few responsible owners. Which the kind of people who choose to own breeds like this rarely are.

Yes I've read that very well-informed article that states the majority of UK bullies can be traced to him. I hope someone links it if I can't find it

Killerqueenie · 27/02/2025 16:17

So sad.

I am so fed up of people saying "they're not bad dogs, it's bad owners". I'm sorry, but it's the breed. They are, by nature, very dangerous dogs, and I wouldn't trust one to be near or my children EVER. In fact, I wouldn't trust any dog 100%. They are all capable of being dangerous if they feel threatened. But there have been far too many fatalities caused by XL bullies. They need to be totally banned.

Cherrysoup · 27/02/2025 16:18

ThatLemonBear · 27/02/2025 14:41

Leaving aside the fact that, as far as I know, the dog involved in this tragic incident hasn’t been confirmed as a XL bully….. I think the focus needs to be on enforcing the law e.g. muzzled in public etc rather than summary mass culling. The breed will naturally disappear in the UK over the next few years, as dogs die and the breeding ban means no replacement. There absolutely does need to be a focus on enforcing the law in the meantime IMO

I fear it won't. They are being bred for stupid amounts of money. A friend was talking to someone with a puppy this week. It's just gone underground.

ArtTheClown · 27/02/2025 16:18

It took 19 bullets fired at 2 of these dogs before they were killed during an attack on an 84 year old man recently.

Yes, police use expanding bullets as less chance of going through someone or something and hitting an unintended target. The bullets literally can't penetrate their thick skulls.

I've seen footage of attacks and where they differ from other dog fights or attacks, is that mostly dogs are fighting in fear or rage. These dogs are eerily calm as they kill, and joyful. They are fulfilling their instinctive destiny, what they were bred to do, and they love it, as all dogs do when they get to do exactly what they are suited to.

They should all be killed.

coxesorangepippin · 27/02/2025 16:19

Wtf is going on with all these dog deaths?

It's absolutely unacceptable

lifeonmars100 · 27/02/2025 16:23

Saw them described as loaded gun which I think is very apt.

Supsupsup · 27/02/2025 16:23

greyeyedwonder · 27/02/2025 15:00

Oh for god sake all I said was that he was a well behaved trained dog! His owner is a police dog trainer and very experienced! He's muzzled when he goes out and never off his leash.
I didn't say he didn't have the potential to turn, all dogs do and yes their sheer size and power make it impossible to do anything if they do.
Years ago it was the rotty, then the staffy, now it's the XL bully, and in a few years time it'll be another breed.

Of course ,once this breed is banned, the people who want to look hard or have dogs to protect them whilst they go about their drug dealing or other criminal activity will latch onto another breed they can train to be aggressive…it doesn’t mean society can’t put in measures to limit certain breeds as it’s often innocent people who get killed or maimed in the cross fire. Perhaps the government may eventually reintroduce dog licensing then they can focus on taking dogs away from crappy owners.

Futb · 27/02/2025 16:24

Almost every day these beasts kill some. How many more fucking people are going to be mauled to death before someone says enough is enough.

Rightsraptor · 27/02/2025 16:26

greyeyedwonder · 27/02/2025 14:31

My friend is a XL bully owner, her DH is a police dog trainer. In the right hands these dogs are no different to any other large breed. Yeah I know not all are owned by people with his experience and capabilities. He's a much loved, well behaved family pet and very affectionate dog who tends to drool on you a lot.

That's just naive. These dogs are specifically bred to be vicious, it's not a matter of training and handling them properly.

It's a matter of when, not if, the dog attacks.

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bombastix · 27/02/2025 16:31

The ban is working in as much these deaths are mostly not now public places. The problem is that there is no protection for the home.

I feel sad at this death, but the people who own these dogs should be social pariahs. And so too should people who make excuses for them.

Thingymajigii · 27/02/2025 16:32

Burntt · 27/02/2025 14:57

Im a childminder. I had XL bully owners concerned about the lack of childlock on my under sink cupboard- which I keep Tupperware and tea towels in no cleaning products. Yet they were talking about how brilliant their dog is with their kids. Their priorities astounded me to be honest. They spoke about the dog more than the child. Seemed to be part of their identity. I think I'm glad they won't be using me due to the child locks I'd hate to knowingly send a child home to such a dangerous pet every day

What complete and utter morons.

Christwosheds · 27/02/2025 16:32

RavenclawWitchy · 27/02/2025 15:27

It seems to me that the likelihood of the breed being the main factor is increasing daily. Family pets that appear to just 'snap' unexpectedly upon reaching adulthood, exhibiting sudden unpredictable behavior and almost super strength during these attacks. Is this a "mental break" ingrained in an XL bully's DNA from being genetically bred for specific traits, or could it be due to the high levels of inbreeding? It seems clear these "episodes" are much more likely (maybe even unavoidable) for XL bullies and the government needs to treat it as such. The banned dog list just isn't enough.

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I agree. There is a very clear problem with this specific breed. They are disproportionately killers compared to other hefty breeds. It seems to be genetics, not just terrible owners. I’ve lost track of how many deaths I’ve read about, and I wish I had never seen the footage on Twitter of a poor bloke being mauled by one last year. (He died later). The dog wasn’t even displaying aggressive, fighting body language, it was happy and excited. I was really shocked by that as I’ve never seen a dog fight another dog and look like that. This dog was enjoying mauling the man, a big bloke, who simply was no match for this dog. I have helped at dog shelters, I’ve had a dog my whole life, but these dogs terrify me .

Mrsbloggz · 27/02/2025 16:36

Derbee · 27/02/2025 14:35

I think they should all be euthanised. One of the biggest problems (see above post) is people who think their XL Bully is different. They think they’re well trained/soft/friendly/part of the family etc. Until they do what they are bred to do/be and they are suddenly unrecognisable from the beloved dog that their owner thought was different.

The danger is twofold. The dogs, and the person who is in denial about what these dogs actually are at their core.

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well said @Derbee 👏

Izzabellasasperella · 27/02/2025 16:36

A girl at work told me last week that she has a Staffy and an Xl bully. She also has a one year old son!
She could see what I thought by the look on my face and started telling me what a sweet softy he was.
I hope with all my heart that nothing happens to that baby.

bombastix · 27/02/2025 16:37

@Izzabellasasperella - well it's her problem isn't it? You won't be visiting. Did you tell her what a stupid risk she was taking?

Audiprettier · 27/02/2025 16:38

Mightymoog · 27/02/2025 14:55

The "ban" is not working.
How about a totally new approach.
ALL dogs banned except certain breeds which must be bought from licensed breeders .
There would still be a lot of scope for different breeds for pets/ working dogs etc. but absolutely no more unlicensed breeders.
All dogs chipped and if found not to be legal they are impounded and PTS.

Why on earth hasn't this been done already!?!
The amount of different breeds available everywhere shows us all, that people having these XLs are more interested in a certain Kudos than actually caring for a pet.
I too am a dog lover but to see a video on the news of their potential is terrifying.

Dogs need daily exercising & not just kept indoors 24/7 which I'm absolutely sure doesn't help!
There are plenty of rescue dogs needing homes. XLs ARE dangerous!

Allthegoodhorses · 27/02/2025 16:43

HornyHornersPinger · 27/02/2025 16:16

Yes I've read that very well-informed article that states the majority of UK bullies can be traced to him. I hope someone links it if I can't find it

https://banthebullyxluk.wordpress.com/2023/08/01/finding-kimbo/

bullrushes · 27/02/2025 16:47

Matrixremooted · 27/02/2025 14:59

Maybe it’s time for a petition!

I bet we could easily get enough signatures just from MNers

SoMauveMonty · 27/02/2025 16:49

HobnobsChoice · 27/02/2025 14:53

This woman died inside the flat. There was another woman killed in a house in Jaywick when two attacked her. Unless they are muzzled all the time then it's still not complete protection

The power of XL bullies means that people seem to be more likely to be killed or have life changing injuries than if a golden retriever went for them

Agree. I was listening to an item on the radio a couple of years back about dangerous dogs, and the vet talking stated more people end up in hospital each year after being bitten by Labs/Retrievers than perceived 'dangerous' breeds - people are more relaxed around them/leave their children with them as they're considered docile, family dogs. But they feel pain, annoyance etc just like any dog, and will sometimes snap.

The crucial point is, despite the bites, fatal injuries by these breeds are vanishingly rare because they aren't, frankly, psychotic fuckers at heart, don't weigh more than the average person can handle, don't lock-on in an attack and don't generally turn without warning.

I've been around dogs all my life, respect them and aren't generally scared of them. I've handled several 'dodgy' ones. But there's no way i'd willingly be within a country mile of an XL, and it makes me furious that the 'right' of people to own an animal with the propensity to cause so much damage overrides the right of others not to face such a risk. There are still far too many of them around.

Sinkintotheswamp · 27/02/2025 16:49

XL's couldn't be an actual police dog. You need discipline, brains and agility (6ft fences after a suspect) to be a police dog.

ThePearlBee · 27/02/2025 16:56

greyeyedwonder · 27/02/2025 14:31

My friend is a XL bully owner, her DH is a police dog trainer. In the right hands these dogs are no different to any other large breed. Yeah I know not all are owned by people with his experience and capabilities. He's a much loved, well behaved family pet and very affectionate dog who tends to drool on you a lot.

They're just too big and strong. There's no regulation for dog owners and we can't just rely on them being sensible.

Superhansrantowindsor · 27/02/2025 16:57

I couldn’t be friends with someone who had one of these dogs. It takes a particular type of person to want one of these as a pet.

Mytholmroyd · 27/02/2025 16:58

YANBU

I never, thankfully, come across these types of dogs where I live in the sticks - mostly just very friendly gundogs of various sizes and the odd alsatian or bull dog type. It must be terrifying to live near one of these large fighting dogs especially if you have children. So yes, somehow they need to be controlled better than they are.

Perchta · 27/02/2025 16:58

Superhansrantowindsor · 27/02/2025 16:57

I couldn’t be friends with someone who had one of these dogs. It takes a particular type of person to want one of these as a pet.

I was about to say something similar.