Woman 19 dies in dog attack

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Woman 19 dies in dog attack in Bristol

Apologies if there’s already a thread on this, but how many more lives have to be taken in these horrific attacks before the Government admit that the current measures are failing. It surely has come to the point now that all XL Bullies should be euthanised.

These threads always remind me of that poster on mumsnet who had a puppy dumped on them by a family friend, then found out they were a pitbull through a dna test. They posted in the dog section asking for advice.

She was in love with the dog and said how loving and easily trainable it was. Until she took it to the vets and this little puppy turned so quickly and without warning that the vet was spooked, she asked op if she had young children and if she knew that the dog would be very large.

I think they ended up giving it to a specialised rescue. I always wonder if that poster realises how lucky they and their children are.

Enough is enough of these DEMON dogs!

Muzzling out doors makes no difference. Half the time they are killing famility members or visitors within their own home. Does that not tell you something? It's not normal.
Yes, for decades there has always been a thug dog of choice for brainless chavs. The current and most dangerous incarnation is the XL.
Your point is?

It took 19 bullets fired at 2 of these dogs before they were killed during an attack on an 84 year old man recently. Police dog trainer or not. It isn't going to make a bit of difference if his dog chooses to attack.

I would have been firmly in the ' it's the way they are brought up' team a few years ago until our pet Taz turned on my daughter and bit her face. We had him as a 8wk old pup (they weren't kept until 12 wks back then, most pups went at 8wks) we are far from an aggressive family and he was brought up with love not to be rough in anyway. He was a lovely gentle boy ..... until that day when for no reason( I was in the room so know there was no reason) he turned on my 14yr old daughter and bit her face. She had to have plastic surgery and has had a fear of dogs since, understandably. I do think it's so hard for owners who's dogs haven't done anything yet...but it's really not worth the risk . The evidence has become overwhelming.

I agree with every single XL bully in the country being euthanised. They're bred for nothing other than aggressive-looking status symbols are fucking dangerous. Horrible animals - usually with dimwitted twats for owners.

Don't bank on them naturally disappearing.

I know someone who wants a Staffordshire bull terrier, found a litter, went to view, took some video, showed it to me.

The 4 week old puppy was huge. After looking into the dog's pedigree it turns out both mum and dad were XL bullys, registered in Romania as American Staffordshire Terriers then imported into the UK and registered with the kennel club as staffys.

The breeder said it was the only way he could register them with the kennel club.

The person sent the kennel club all this information so hopefully they'll withdraw their registration, but I don't hold out much hope.

I am not necessarily anti ban or a fan of these breeds but in the name of fairness I did recently sit next to one in the vet waiting room. It was muzzled, on a short strong lead and I found her to be a really sweet and charming dog.

It was my springer on his way past her that barked at her. Idiot that he is. She ignored him, thankfully.

Is that supposed to be a comfort, the fact that it was someone who had consented to be around the dog?
I hate it when some say that there’s no such thing as bad dogs, only bad owners,because it isn’t true. However good an owner, the fact is that the dog has been bred to have specific traits of aggression and won’t ever change.

I've always said that if you plan to get a dog do some research about the breed and what it was originally bred to do.

All bull breeds were bred to bait bulls and to hang on to the poor bull until their teeth met. This is what is known as a "death grip".
The folds on their faces were there to stop the bull's blood running into their eyes.
All their strength in in their shoulders and neck, and they are very well muscled in that area.
I went to a dog show years ago where two bull terriers got into a fight and the owners couldn't separate them. One dog had the other by the throat, A vet had to come and give an injection so the dog would release it's grip.
I used to show a dalmatian dog that weighed 53 kg. He needed at least 2 hours a day free running. I took him to obedience classes and make him do obedience work to stop boredom.
Many dogs are aggressive/destructive because they are bored.

I'm a dog lover and am reluctant to call for the euthanasia of this breed but I understand now some breeders are producing a new type called "gatormouths" that have huge heads and jaws.
I can't see the reason for this and it is downright dangerous IMO

https://www.quora.com/How-are-gatormouth-pit-bulls-as-family-pets

Whenever i see them out my blood runs cold. The people who have them will say “‘my little Tyson wouldn’t hurt a fly” but at the end of the day all of the owners that have been chewed to death thought the same thing about their fluffy little darling.

The current law is a bit of a sham and the costs to the police in kennelling fees could surely be used fighting crime.

I’d be happy to see the lot of them gone I think.

This us so depressing.
I have just passed an idiot with an off Lead Rottweiler on a city street-
Weak owner probably can’t control it

We crossed the road with my well mannered gentle dog.

Our vets say Rottweilers and XLBs ( pitbull crosses) don’t read appeasement signals from other dogs-

They attack without warning.

These are experienced vets one worked at an inner city Charity hospital that had lots of unemployed people with these aggressive dogs for status and breeding for easy money.

they go from loving pet to killing machine without giving any signals that this might happen. There's no chance to get away.

I have read often the advice ‘What you should do if a Bully attacks you’ - Don’t run, stay calm, turn your back on them’, even put a chair between you and the dog! The reality is you just don’t stand a chance should an XL attack.

Every XL bully owner thinks their dog is different.

19! That is so young, what a waste.

I’ve was in a vet waiting room and been told that I had to wait in the car (small dog). The other person waiting with a medium dog also was told to get in their car. I saw from the window five staff members and an owner dealing with a large aggressive dog. IMO that is a case for a specialist secure facility - and that kind of animal shouldn’t be available for Joe Public to own.

Police in USA and here have used up to 11 bullets to get a dog to release the body of the victim.

yes especially the ones that have kids and think the kid is the best friend of the dog... until the dog turns on the kid. Shameful attitude.

Another terrible tragedy. What an awful awful way to die.

There was a woman on our local Facebook page who posted a rambling, aggressive, self pitying rant about how people were giving her dirty looks when she was out walking her un-muzzled XL bully puppy. Called them all the names of the day and claimed that she was a responsible dog owner whose dog would be properly trained and wouldn't be a danger to anyone. She said all the ignoramuses who disapproved should come over and talk to her (yeah, right) instead of judging her and that the puppy was too young to wear a muzzle yet. There was, of course, a massive bun fight. She had plenty of supporters. She eventually took the post down when someone asked her how she had got her hands on an XL puppy when nobody was supposed to be breeding them anymore.

And this is what worries me. I'm not holding my breath waiting for these dreadful dogs to disappear naturally. I think it will take a lot longer than it should while people continue to breed them illegally.

That is terrifying- they really look like something that nightmares are made of.

I think you're wrong, but even if you were right, none of these people coming across that horrific dog are going to be aware that they don't have to be scared because this XL bully has Very Special Owners.

The folds on their faces were there to stop the bull's blood running into their eyes.

I think this is a load of old cod. It doesn't even make a lot of sense as blood would come of a smooth face cleaner without all the wrinkles, and the eyes would be a lot more effective without them.

Well no comfort to the dead woman or her family now, for sure, but still an active choice. I have far more sympathy for the people who have been killed or seriously injured by these dogs when they are just going about their business in public.

Anyone who is actively choosing to be around dogs of this type now is doing so with full knowledge of what they're capable of. You can't legislate against stupid.

The thing is, they’re all like that until one day they’re not.

That’s the problem really - if they were snarling and aggressive all the time then no one would have one.

All good. Til they bite your arm off