Woman 19 dies in dog attack

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Woman 19 dies in dog attack in Bristol

Apologies if there’s already a thread on this, but how many more lives have to be taken in these horrific attacks before the Government admit that the current measures are failing. It surely has come to the point now that all XL Bullies should be euthanised.

I totally get that people love their dogs, honestly I do.
BUT, I loathe them and it's disgusting to have them in cafes and my wants should trump those of a pet from another species

If a cafe allows dogs, then you are being very entitled to expect people to not take their dogs there. You are expecting everyone to cater to your wants.
Loads of places do not allow them. Go to those places instead.

I think you missed @YeOldeGreyhound ’s point.

She has her reasons why she doesn’t like babies, and to her they are as logical as the reasons you don’t like dogs (btw, I have a child myself so I don’t take offence at the comparison)

She is simply saying that her dislike of babies is her problem and wouldn’t dream of calling mothers disgusting or saying that it’s unhygienic to have a baby in a place where food is served, nor is she saying they shouldn’t be allowed in public places. But I may hazard a guess that she wouldn’t choose to head down to her local soft play for a coffee. Fair enough really.

The point is, we all dislike what we dislike and we will all probably try and avoid what we dislike whilst simultaneously not going around saying what we dislike should be banned.

I obviously don’t include XLB in that, completely different scenario

my wants should trump those of a pet from another species

And there we have it. Pure entitlement. The whole world should mould itself around you.

Thanks @Errors, that was what I was trying to get at, albeit in a rather clunky way.
And yep, it would be pretty entitled of me to go to a soft play and moan about kids being there. But it is ok for people who don't like dogs to do their equivalent.

I don't think it's entitlement to think that a human takes precedence over another species.

It is entitled to insist dogs are not in a place where the business owner has decided they are very welcome.

And it is humans deciding they take precedence over all other species is why this planet is in the state it is. Hell, we have humans deciding they take precedence other humans, hence why we are possibly facing war.
Humans are the problem, not dogs.

That isn’t what you said though.
You said “MY wants should take precedence”

Why are your wants more important than mine? Someone who doesn’t own a dog but loves being around them.
Or why should your wants take precedence over the dog owner’s wants? Or the business owner’s wants?
It isn’t the Dog that’s getting the benefit of being in a cafe, most good dogs would be happy wherever as long as they’re with their owner. It’s other humans that benefit from this.

If I had a cafe and I knew that I could get extra custom by allowing dogs, but I may lose the odd one or two that doesn’t life them, I would take it. I can guarantee you that there are more people that love dogs or, at least, don’t mind either way than there are people who hold your opinion

Yes my wants as a hunan take precedence over another species.
To prioritise another species over your own is very very weird

You literally didn’t read any of the rest of my post did you?

Why do YOUR wants take precedence over the dog owner’s wants (who is also a human, by the way)

It is extremely arrogant to think that humans are more important than other species- including trees and plants-
Humans are a blight on the World- no other species has caused such awful damage to the 🌏 planet.
As a species we have ruined it.

No other animal comes close.

no I didn't. i couldn't be bothered

I rest my case then

Yep, it is just "waa waa, I hate dogs and don't want to see them". Just pure entitled behaviour.

nope, just no point,
if people can't see that it's pretty disgusting to have dogs in a food establishment then they obviously have much much lower standards than i do ( and I'm reasonably lax with most things).

Food places that allow dogs still have 5 star hygiene ratings. You thinking it is disgusting is a problem you have personally. In terms of actual hygiene and food, it is fine.
I am not sure how my dog led on the floor next to me is having an hygiene impact on someone eating several metres away from us.

It will if, as i have seen happen more than once, a waitress goes over, makes a fuss of the dog, strokes its head and even its nose ! then goes straight over to the servery and picks up cutlery and plates of food. I have not been back to the two places where I have seen this happen. If their hygiene standards are so lax out front, what will they be like in the kitchen? Then there are places that let dogs sit on seats... Ugh!

I’m just visiting from Gransnet but I think these letters are moving far away from the original point and becoming vaguely tetchy .

I would say the overall conclusion is that there are many people in society who find dog’s present elevation distasteful and, sometimes, threatening . Dog owners should therefore consider this and rein ( quite literally ) their dogs in .
They should also consider the hygiene hazard of dogs in eating places etc .
Someone pointed out that many hostelries are more than willing to accommodate dogs but it’s Hobsen’s Choice for them ; their custom would be greatly diminished without the owners . When I’m having a meal or a drink I don’t want look at a dog’s bottom or to have to speak above a cacophony of barking . Many people feel like this . Sheep with lambs also feel like this.
So back to Gransnet , hoping that I don’t end my days being set upon by a bully dog or even by tripping over the extended lead of a Yorkshire terrier .

Plus, babies are pretty bloody unhygienic

I can’t help but think the hygiene argument doesn’t really stack up to be honest. I just think of the millions of people around the UK that have dogs in there homes and even, gasp, in the actual kitchen and there doesn’t seem to be an epidemic of illnesses stemming from this fact

What makes me shudder {especially as threadworm is almost endemic in small children according to a pathology staff friend} is how young children are allowed to play with a water dispenser at the local café- fingers that are scratching a bottom get worm eggs under the nails, or rammed up a nose, is then ramming same fingers up the tap of the water dispenser.

If I need water I ask staff to get it from the tap well away from ''exploring fingers''.

You look at dog’s arses while you’re out and about? That’s weird

That’s gross (not envy)

Kids by far spread more germs than dogs I’ll bet. In my sample size of one, I was never more ill than in the first 5 years of my son’s life 😂

i agree it’s the breed more so than the owner. Some dogs are bred for aggression. But there are bad owners too. People need to take tests and have a license to own pets.

Greyhounds don’t have the same bite force or power that pit bull or XL bullies have , they’re of weaker stature too, so although you’d be injured, you’d stand a decent fighting chance vs a greyhound (though most unlikely to attack human and even more unlikely a sustained attack). Greyhounds can’t overpower a human. They can be kept under control if on a lead. It’s not the size of the dog . Doberman or Rottweiler are similar size but more powerful stature and jaws than Greyhounds. It’s a bit like owning a lion vs a horse.

This is why I never buy sweets from a pick n mix. I have seen many a parent turn a blind eye whilst their kid helps themselves with their grubby fingers.