Woman 19 dies in dog attack

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Woman 19 dies in dog attack in Bristol

Apologies if there’s already a thread on this, but how many more lives have to be taken in these horrific attacks before the Government admit that the current measures are failing. It surely has come to the point now that all XL Bullies should be euthanised.

@lifeonmars100 they really are. And we don't need to have them anywhere

We can, although I've only ever done that, or really known it to happen because of issues with the owners, not the animal.

👋 wave to another Flatcoat owner. Yes temperament is as importance a factor in any breed as their physical shape and looks. My retrievers would look with amusement on any little dog showing aggression to them - my own little dogs, otoh, would likely reciprocate. Both sets of behaviour are entirely in keeping with their breeds, they are predictable for that reason.

As people have said - these fighting breeds are bred to be unpredictable, to not "show their hand" before attacking. That is their breed temperament- the unpredictably itself.

Anyone who owns one is frankly a moron, a criminal, or both. It is genuinely like owning a gun which will fire randomly.

Hi @LibisMum 😊

I saw two XL bullies in the Oval Office today .

scratching its ears and murmuring will reinforce the behaviour, the growling.

Thank you @Vetoncall

How about a kitchen knife? A big one? Don't think about getting the dog to let go, just kill it.

How about a kitchen knife? A big one? Don't think about getting the dog to let go, just kill it.

Fine if you happen to be attacked in your kitchen. I don't think wandering the streets with a large knife on the off chance you're attacked by one of these things is going to go down well with the Police.

@NormaLouiseBates I'm sorry what? Part of your husband's job was to kill guard dogs

Well yes - if Special Forces are entering an enemy area, dogs would be first to be taken out to keep the element of surprise. It's pretty obvious even if your knowledge of military protocols only extends to Jason Bourne films.

One tried to go for me just last week! I was walking along a path which winds alongside a narrow and sparse green area between flats. It's a very narrow path only one person can pass at a time and a man was walking towards me with his XL bully on lead.

So I stopped and stood to one side to let them pass out and the dog suddenly lurched towards me growling and barking threateningly and straining against the lead and I just froze dead and put my head down hoping it would see I wasn't a threat. But it kept lurching up towards me and the owner had to put all his strength to stop it and get it to turn around and stop himself from being pulled along also. I was really worried the lead would snap or something!

It wasn't muzzled and we have a lot of them around here, because it's an area with a heritage green space along with several parks so people from further out travel in just to walk their dogs.

It was really scary. There's no way if the owner had been a teen or a woman that it would've been able to control it.

I've been a dog owner most of my life and grew up with a German shepherd. I'm very comfortable around dogs, but even I'm extremely wary of these.

My friend lives in a maisonette and her next door neighbour has a dog that looks very much like an XL bully to me and is an un-neutered male. The fences between the gardens are low, a lot lower than waist height, and she's scared to let her small dog out into the garden or go out there herself when the neighbour's dog is in the garden. The dog could get over the fence really easily if it wanted to (even my Lakeland terriers could have got over it, tbh).

She's also scared to report it, for fear of reprisal from the owner. I've considered reporting it myself, but worry that she would get hassle from the owner anyway. She lives on a small estate where there are lots of young kids, and the maisonettes open onto a play area that's full of kids at weekends and during the holidays.

I've thought about reporting it myself, but worry that he might blame her anyway and make her life a misery. He's very volatile and verbally aggressive. It's bloody awful.

I'm the same, I've kept GSDs, Black Labs, and Border Collies and have been around medium to large breeds all of my life without fear, but you're right the XL Bully is frightening. I've seen two in fairly close proximity. One was being walked without a muzzle at a distance. I was walking in the same direction but stopped and waited until it and the owner were out of sight. Phew! The second was a mini XL I saw being walked by a man whilst I was outside my property. To be fair to the dog, it didn't do anything wrong and when 2 young girls approached the dog's owner and asked if they could stroke it, it allowed them to do so. However, what was very striking about that interaction for me was the dog didn't acknowledge the girls at all, infact it was looking in the opposite direction. There was no eye contact, no tail wagging, no change in its body language, no "happy to meet you". I was very relieved when the girls went on their way. And I really don't like their eye expression, or to more accurate, their lack of one, they seem to look through people. They're impossible to read. All in all, I don't even consider them to be dogs, they're the equivalent of a loaded gun, they're killing machines.

That sounds like hell for your friend. How selfish can you be?

I completely agree with you on this:
there is no equivalent to the XL Bully in terms of non-bannned breeds.

The GSD has the potential to inflict huge damage but it gives warnings first via vocalisation and body language; ditto the Rottweiler. Also, in the vast majority of cases the aggression is triggered.

The XL Bully, however, attacks without warning or cause because that is what it has been selectively bred to do. Even the owner isn't safe because this breed has no loyalty and so many owners of XL Bullies have been killed by their own dogs. There is no other non-banned breed where this has been the case.

I don't even consider them to be dogs. They are a man-made freak, the equivalent of a loaded gun and I wouldn't want to be anywhere near one.

Police did nothing, said if I couldn't prove it was an XL also because I didn't know the person, where they lived or name then they couldn't follow it up.

The police really are lazy shits.

Please report it and keep reporting it till it stops.

It's illegal for these dogs to be unmuzzled in public.

No wonder so many people keep getting killed. The stoopid owners can't follow the simple guidelines.

Is it not the case, though, that many of the attacks have occurred in people's homes where they are presumably not muzzled?

Yes. But I don't care if the idiots who own them, or people stupid enough to enter premises with these hell beasts are, get mauled. Darwin awards. Of course, there are the poor children to consider. They should be adopted out for child endangerment.

I do care about innocent bystanders.

Goodness. Wasn't a young boy killed by one when we popped into his mates house for a drink while they were playing?

As much as I dislike Pitbull type dogs and their owners I don't think it's helpful to characterize them as idiots.
It seems as if humans are very prone to blindness about the true nature of animals that they choose to keep as pets. I think as a society we should look for ways to make people aware of the true dangers of these animals.
The owners are in love with their pets, if their pets are threatened in any way they will only respond in the manner of a mother who's defenseless children have been threatened. As much as I think that the owners are as dumb as rocks with shit for brains I think we need to look for better ways to get through to them.

Dogs need to be banned as pets. There is no reason for them. People can have cats or gerbils etc if they want to keep animals as pets.

What a stupid post.

Yes I agree. Nearly everybody I know has dogs or would have one if their lives could accommodate one. Hardly likely if they served no purpose. I wonder why there are so many people signed up to 'Walk my doggy'?

Er, no.
My dogs pose no threat to anyone. They are under control, safe off lead and well-mannered.
They get me out of doors every day. I get exercise and fresh air I'd be unlikely to get otherwise. They do wonderful things for my mental health.
The same is true of 1000s of other dog owners.