Woman 19 dies in dog attack

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Woman 19 dies in dog attack in Bristol

Apologies if there’s already a thread on this, but how many more lives have to be taken in these horrific attacks before the Government admit that the current measures are failing. It surely has come to the point now that all XL Bullies should be euthanised.

I said a workman who has an XLB himself, was in when the dog ran into my house and that he said it was definitely one. They were assuming it was.

I think the problem is they are bred to snap with the power of lions or tigers. They probably do form affectionate bonds with their owners, which makes it so sad that people have taken friendly dogs and bred them into killing machines.

I don't know whether the answer is a cull or not.

If the owners genuinely think their dog is a lovely friendly family dog then why do they so often have names like Beast or Scarface?

@Twilight5 Agree with others - don't give in.
You should feel safe in your own home and the fact that the dog has got into your house AND throws himself against your door is warning enough that it has an interest in your home.

You also have shared space (garden) which is essentially out of bounds to you now.

This is not okay.

Housing Association
Police (again)
Local council
MP
Press (with video evidence)

I know it's exhausting, but don't give up.

My answer to that question would have been "yes, absolutely"

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At the vets recently asked woman bought one in, it was jumping up and out of control, scared my 6ft 4 brick shit house son who had to walk past it with his cat in a carrier

Vets must also be nervous of these dogs?

Yes they are. Vets who have no problem dealing with Alsatians are very concerned about dealing with XL bullies.

@Twilight5

I was once in a similar situation, aggressive dog in a shared space, everyone afraid to set foot outside. The dog warden said that because the dog was dangerous they couldn’t deal with it and it was a police matter. The police said it wasn’t their responsibility, and it was for the dog warden to deal with.

After a few rounds of bouncing between them, I rang the local police and said “I’d like an Incident Number, so I have a record of reporting this”. Police were round to talk to the owner about the Dangerous Dogs Act the next day.

And as pp have said, if they ask you if you want to see the owner fined, the answer is ‘yes!’.
You shouldn’t have to live like this, it’s appalling, and a tragedy waiting to happen.

I don't especially want to see the owners fined. Ehat I want is a public information campaign asking people to report any sightings of pitbull type dogs and then said dogs are identified and automatically destroyed.

@Twilight5 this is awful I would definitely try again and get this sorted. I am also in Scotland and the police are bloody useless with XL bully reporting. I've reported the one that's walked on the farm road near my house (unmuzzled) which the owner can barely control. They have it on a rope FFS! Not even a proper lead. This is a popular farm road in the local area for walkers, dog walkers, people with babies in prams, toddlers, runners. I no longer go for a walk with my toddler now I've encountered it too many times and it terrifies me. Police did nothing, said if I couldn't prove it was an XL also because I didn't know the person, where they lived or name then they couldn't follow it up. Even though I gave them the exact time the owner walks the thing.

We went to a museum in Glasgow with the kids last year and we were walking back to our car when there was an XL bully on a lead, the muzzle off, hanging down under its neck. It's owner was effing and blinding at his (I presume) girlfriend who was swearing back at him and the dog was straining at the lead, barely controlled. It looked straight at me and I felt like i was staring into a void. Blankness, no emotion. Absolutely terrifying. We walked as fast as we could without obviously running and I picked up my toddler and got into the car. The owner didn't even notice. You could see people actively running away or changing direction.

Awful, awful animals. Inbred by humans. They all need to go. And I say this as an animal lover.

It's interesting what people are saying about 'dead behind the eyes' because I have often said that about certain breeds of little/toy dogs - I just couldn't relate to them like I do with the various retrievers and GSD we have always had who have been, without exception for over 50 years, easy to train and eager to please and fit into the family and great with children of all sizes. Small toy dogs IME just don't have the same 'look' and were often quite vicious but because they were small it didn't 'matter' as much.

Strangers - our children's friends and their parents/tradesmen/deliverymen - can walk into my house even if we are not home - and the retrievers - even entirely males - just welcome them in as people to play with. Useless guard dogs.

My parents had a rescued toy poodle and it was just nuts - would pick a fight it had no chance of winning for no apparent reason with her baffled retrievers. One of my flat coats was attacked by five Yorkshire terriers whilst on a walk - laughable really but only because they were tiny - he didn't even react to them as if they were another dog

But put that attitude into a 50kg monster dog with massive jaws and it is very scary indeed. I cannot fathom why anyone would want that liability in the home.

If you were referring to literally any other large, powerful dog breed I would agree. Rottweilers, German Shepherds etc - highly trainable and in the right hands make a loving and loyal family pet - as long as they are well socialised

The XL Bully is not like this. You can train them and socialise them all you like but they all contain the ability to ‘flip’ - not out of fear like most dogs, no warnings given like most dogs, one minute seemingly content and then next jaws locked on and there isn’t a hope in hell of getting them back off again. They will lock on until they kill.

I wouldn’t go near your friends dog if I were you

I'm curious. Can a vet decline any potential patient?

Yes, they can for various reasons including feeling that their safety is at risk.

They all need culling now.

The problem with the laws as they are now is that the vast majority of people who own these dogs don't like to abide by the law.

Most of the owners are poorly educated, lack critical or even common sense thinking. They have a fear or dislike of any sort of governance be it schools, social services, the police etc. They see it as 'the baddies' against their 'good boys/girls'. They don't have the ability to understand that all the other owners of these dogs thought the same as them. They are not people who make good decisions and the safety of the greater public should not to be allowed to be put into these people's hands.

I'm sorry what? Part of your husband's job was to kill guard dogs?

Why are so many dog owners in denial about their dog? Not an XL bully, far from it - a small dog that just this week menaced me while being "walked" off lead by a couple. The dog ran straight for me and barked and ran round my legs so I couldn't keep walking. It constantly jumped up at my leg and left mud all down my clothes from its paws. I asked the owners to keep it away but of course it ignored them. The man said, "Its a dog, what do you expect?" Telling them to control the dog resulted in being threatened with violence by the woman who said she would smash my face in. The man grabbed her to keep her from attacking me - all because I criticised the dog's behaviour and their failure to control it. Unbelievable what happens in the heads of owners like this.

@HagsRule Just awful and have heard of a number of similar negative reporting experiences in Scotland. I'm an animal lover too and my cats are living with one of my adult children because of what this dog could do to them if it got into my house again. So disappointed with the police who don't seem to care nor recognise the danger people are facing with these dogs.

Superb comment and absolutely spot on.

they are like something from a horror film. That poor man, what a terrifying and horrific end to his life. I feel sick everytime I hear about yet another attack, the terror and agony that the victims go though is appalling and yet people still make out that these things make good pets!

Has it been confirmed that the 84 year old man has died? I read he was in hospital, that's so awful for his family if he's died. I hope the owner of the dog is charged.

They all need putting down. I can't see a shift in attitudes so this could ever happen, though.

The police round here do nothing about known unlicensed XL bullies. I think they are too in fear of the owners and the other nutters who back up 'dog's rights' 🙄 a quick glance at the local force's FB page will leave you in no doubt that we on MN seem to be in the minority of public opinion. Most posts attract idiotic, non-related 'should be out catching criminals not demonising dogs', 'if it were any other breed you wouldn't hear about dog attacks, protect our bullies' type comments. There would be uproar if the police actually did anything about these killing machines. Ridiculous and I think it will have to come down to vigilantism if things continue as they are.

“Don’t Bully my Bread “🥖 🍞

Actually seen this phrase written and spelled this way .

Facebook is mainly overrun with idiots who believe the Nanny Dog myth.

i don't think the poster meant his life had ended, but that it is the end decade, most likely, of his life, not the start or middle.