Woman 19 dies in dog attack

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Woman 19 dies in dog attack in Bristol

Apologies if there’s already a thread on this, but how many more lives have to be taken in these horrific attacks before the Government admit that the current measures are failing. It surely has come to the point now that all XL Bullies should be euthanised.

That would mean armed police wandering about all the time. That wont happen.

Also on a side note.. I’ve been thinking about this recently for running alone too and taking some sort of defence with me (for people, not dogs) but when walking past these dogs with my young kids I’ve thought recently what would I actually be able to do to stop it? Especially if I have my dog with me too. Not that pepper spray would do a lot but might buy you enough time to put the kids over a fence or something

Absolutely 💯

I agree that they should be euthanized. I love animals but these dogs are a danger to everyone. I hate the thought of them being near kids, even grown men don't stand a chance against them.

I actually read up on what to do if you are attacked by a dog. It seems like a very real threat, it's crazy.

They all need euthanising.

This bit from the article:

The neighbour said she had seen the dog on a lead with its owner and was certain it was an XL bully.
"I do feel so sad for the dog owner," she said.

Sad for the dog owner but not for the person who died !!!

I'm a dog owner and have always defended staffies/rottweilers, but can't defend XL bullies. I can't tell you the fear I felt when a few years ago I encountered an off-lead XL bully and its owner down a side street in a town fairly local to me, which according to local media has the highest number of XL bullies in the area (why do some towns/areas have loads of them whereas others don't?).

I can't understand why anyone would buy one for any other reason than "status" or to look deliberately intimidating. They're not cute, they have no working purpose, their temperament is evidently wired to turn at any moment, and there are too many unscrupulous breeders who don't give a shit about raising puppies correctly.

The reports coming out of this recent attack cite neighbours as saying the dog never appeared to be walked, which if true absolutely blows my mind as to the stupidity of the owners. It's just tragic that a young woman has lost her life as a result of this.

I remember going for a walk with my husband and we climbed a hill to see the sunset. There was a young woman with her XL bully coming down as we were going up. She moved to the side to let us pass with her dog, allowing us enough space as she probably sensed I was nervous. Despite this, her dog still lunged towards me. It was on a leash but I was still so scared by its reaction.

Yes, it was £5. Even then that wasn't a fortune. It cost more to administer than the £5 even then.
Plus, as now, people ignored it because no one followed it up.
All cats and dogs have, legally, to be chipped now. Again - there is no follow up.

I think part of the problem is making ‘normal’ non-dog people live in fear and monopolising public spaces. We were at the playground earlier and some bloke started running from and off the lead dog that was chasing/barking and everyone is looking round thinking I hope it’s not one of these killer dogs.

If you live in an urban centre the parks should be a safe haven as the roads and pavements are so full of cars and people driving crazy, cutting lights, cutting curbs. But if you have kids you can’t truly relax in a park anymore because you have to keep an eye out for dogs whose owners will just say don’t worry he/she is a friendly family dog while the dog is going for you.

Same used to be said about Rottweilers. Having loved several of them for 20years, I have a very different experience - however my dogs are fully socialised, trained, true pack animals in our “family pack” and are the most loyal, caring, gentle dogs that were raised around my babies.

BUT I have seen Rottweilers in the wrong hands and I’m not even talking the extremes of gangsters or dog fighters, I’m talking about people who have no idea about dog training and socialisation or reading dog behaviour.

ANY dog in the wrong hands (again, not necessarily meaning to be harmful, just uneducated and have no clue) has the potential to cause harm, but the bigger and stronger the dog, the more potential of fatal injuries.

That said, XL bullies seem to be very aggressive, protective and easily triggered - some breeds are more reactive than others. This means some very serious training to be safe pets.

I firmly believe that anyone who owns a dog whether it is a tiny fluffy thing or an XL bully , must have a license that shows they know how to train and socialise a dog correctly and the dog must pass a behaviour test before being allowed without a muzzle in public or off lead.

My kids were raised surrounded by Rottweilers without incident their entire lives and yet were bitten quite badly by a cockapoodle who broke through our garden fence. If it wasn’t for our Rottweilers intervening once they heard our child screaming, it could have been much worse.

for the record, the cockapoodle was chased and growled at until it left through the hole is chewed and came through, but it was not harmed in anyway by our dogs. It was put down the next day. Owner had absolutely no idea how to train their dog, it was the product of bad ownership sadly.

im not sure if the media coverage of XL Bullies is making them more popular to the wrong types of owners, but when a dog breed is strong enough to kill an adult human - I think it needs some specialised ownership regulations.

My dog gets scanned for a chip whenever we go to the vets. And I get a lecture from the vet about not chipping, when my dog's chop migrated to the front of her chest. Then they shut up.

Of course it’s the breed.

These XLB’s are very dead behind the eyes though.

They are like zombies who just want to kill - other dogs, cats, people- and have the power to do so.

They don’t have an “ Off” switch once they attack.

Choking them out is the only way according to online advice- or shooting-

There is a Mumsnet user whose husband is a large animal vet.

An XLB attacked and killed their beautiful Labrador, and the strong, capable vet was unable to get the XL off.

In the end it was drowned to kill it, to get it to release the Lab’s body.

These are also going after sheep and horses.

A Welsh farmer shot two as they were savaging his sheep
When they saw him the roar they made was awful- worse than a horror film

They would have killed him had he not had a powerful gun.

Really important that if a dog gets hold of your child, do not pull or let others pull the dog as it can make the injuries worse, if not fatal. Have someone lift the attacking dog by up their back legs, this is where all their pulling power is and reduces the damage they can cause, then try to prize open their mouth with a stick / pole or whatever you can find.

If this fails - You can try to hit them in the balls if they have them / kick them or punch them in the side of their abdomen / strangle them until they pass out / hit them over the head with a rock or heavy item to make them pass out. These are all horrific things to do, especially if you are an animal lover, but your child could die.

Some dogs will respond to food and let go, so if you have food on you, that’s worth a try. Also, as hard as it may be, last ditch attempt could be to try stroking the dog in a sweet voice as it might confuse them and make them see you as not a threat and release their grip.

Dog attacks are terrifying. Having some things to try can really save lives.

We owned one, she was a brilliant dog with us her owners but once she reached maturity she would not take any shite from anything, they do not like anything from outside their own pack who they are very protective over whether that be other animals or people and if they decide to turn on something the sheer power of them you will not likely get them off, we had to put her down when she turned on one of our other dogs who luckily for him was not aggressive in the slightest, I think if he had have been she’d have killed him, it doesn’t matter who owns them they will turn on what they decide is a predator/outsider/threat…….

None of that works with an XL.... You might as well try and stop a bear with a twig.

If i see one of these type of dogs, i cross the road to avoid them... if i couldn't do that, i turn around and walk back until i could.

Awful dogs.

And do you honestly believe any of that would work in the face of an XL Bully attack? That you would have the time or even the strength to lift the dogs legs, let alone the logical thought required when stunned with fear. You will either try to run or lash out. There is no defence against an attack by one of these dogs as these constant deaths keep proving. These dogs can’t be trained no matter how ‘serious’ the training.

I think owners of any dog should be charged with GBH / Murder if their dog attacks.

Because little point in banning breads the nasty owner types will just move on to a different breed

No - all dogs need registered.

My child was bitten by a cockapoodle (not on your big breed list) and I had a very hairy incident with a beautiful golden lab that tried to take my face off (also not on your big breed list)

ALL dogs have potential to cause harm, ALL dogs need to be registered and all owners and dogs need to have mandatory training and pass socialisation and training skills before being allowed in public.

Size or looks does not determine the risk. Of course different breeds have different traits, but every single dog (and its owner) needs proper socialisation and training to reduce risk. It’s the ownership that poses the risk.

I have seen plenty tiny cute dogs causing significant injuries over the years, Pomeranian biting a child’s ear off is not one I ever want to see repeated.

https://caerphilly.observer/news/1029972/i-keep-going-for-him-mother-reflects-on-two-years-since-the-death-of-son-jack-lis/
You're right to be concerned

I totally agree with you on this. In my mind they're not even dogs, they're just killing machines.

Was your other dog not part of her 'own pack'?

Firstly, my advise was aimed generally at all dog attacks but actually, yes - I know for a fact that when faced with the possible death of your child or yourself from an XL bully, people have come up with some immense strength and clarity of mind and been able to manage the situation - though I don’t think they should ever have to!

lashing out is absolutely the right thing to do, just try more precise lashing out to have maximum effect. It’s akin to personal defence training. You could just lash out blindly or be taught the best places to hit.

I don't. Dogs rarely attack out of the blue. It is usually after they have displayed certain body language, and a bite is the last resort. It is the ultimate "leave me alone".

I know a chap whose deaf dog bit a child. His dog was fast asleep, and the child sat on on the dog, startling it, and it bit the kid on the face.
Was that dog dangerous, and needing to be destroyed? Or was it reacting normally?

they look like the dog version of an orc, the same dead eyes, mouths full of very sharp teeth and an air of savagery. Shame they are not fictitious.

I remember our local rag doing a feature about a woman choosing a first pet for her two little kids. Did she opt for a hamster? maybe she chose a kitten or a labrador pup, no of course she didn't, her animal of choice to live with her and her family was an XL Bully! Apparently, she thought they were a gentle, child-friendly and much maligined breed. Some people just have no sense

No she was kept separate from that one and saw him as a threat although he is a complete softy which worked in his favour because he would never try to attack her back