Woman 19 dies in dog attack

[Matrixremooted]

Woman 19 dies in dog attack in Bristol

Apologies if there’s already a thread on this, but how many more lives have to be taken in these horrific attacks before the Government admit that the current measures are failing. It surely has come to the point now that all XL Bullies should be euthanised.

How can anyone think it's a "freak accident" as opposed to an entirely unsurprising and predictable outcome?

Ban XL bully’s (which I agree with) and the next wannabe roadman will find a different breed. These dogs were absolutely not bred for pets and I would go so far as to say that the majority of these dogs are bred by people who have no interest in anything other than the money, will sell them to anyone, probably not socialised properly, and as long as someone has the £ then the dog is theirs.
People buy them for ‘status’ and don’t train them and they end up with a dog that weighs more than them that drags them along the street, but ya know ‘they look cool’

I’m sorry for the very small minority who have trained and socialised their XL Bully, but honestly I will never understand why anyone thinks this is the breed for them & their family home. They aren’t misunderstood lovable rouges who just need the right owner and good training.

Licenses and muzzles etc are all well and good but what about the attacks that have happened in the home 🤷🏼‍♀️. These dogs shouldn’t exist - and this is from a dog lover who always used to believe ‘deed not breed’.

Something needs to change, new laws & new regulations for both breeding dogs, and owning one.
It’s deemed dangerous to get in a car alone without lessons and passing a test, and yet anyone can own a powerful dog like this.

If this breed is got rid of the people that had them will replace them with another aggressive breed. Since the XL ban there's been a rise in Cane Corso dogs round where I live, and they are also scary.

@JANEY205 Wolf or XL Bully?

I'd take the wolf because they haven't had the pack instincts and ability to think and be a good pack member bred out of them - which is necessary for their survival in the wild - I doubt very much they would attack and kill a member of their pack in the way an XL Bully does. Plus, they haven't had those horrendously powerful jaws bred into them.

Humans didn't have to teach wolves to become part of a human pack - it is a wolf/dog's natural instincts - that's why they were able to be domesticated. No 'normal' dog attacks and kills their owner - or even worse - their owners children.

I know dogs do bite owners and am not excusing or ignoring that - but it's the unstoppable mindless attacking and killing for no reason that is absolutely scary and they need to be gone.

Cane Corso look scary, but are they inherently aggressive, like XLs are? Do they come from a line of dogs that were bred to kill?
Big dog does not mean aggressive.

I see them all the time but how do you report them? By the time you get through to the police they are long gone!

As time has gone on I have come to think that this might be the solution. Breeds have very different traits, and need different styles of ownership. Some breeds need more capable and experienced owners than do others. The breed I own is very prey-driven and needs both physical exercise and mental stimulation to be really happy. If anybody ever admires them and asks what they're like to own, I say that they are delightful, but very full-on and need a lot of ongoing input to get them where I have got mine and to keep them there.

Some big canine organisations seem to be keen to obscure the fact that all breed are NOT the same. Dogs Trust's rehoming website currently has about a dozen cane corsos or crosses - but no mention is made in the jolly write-ups of 'lovable', 'affectionate', 'shy' and 'squishy' dogs who are 'gentle giants' of what the breed was bred to do.

If you follow the link Dogs Trust provides to find out more about the breed, there are anodyne statements such as, 'Just like you, every dog is an individual with their own unique personality and prior experiences. So, every Cane Corso temperament is different....Each dog’s personality is shaped by their experiences of the world...' They say the same thing for every breed: there is NO mention made of breed traits, of what the dogs were originally bred for, of what you might expect. In fact, on the basis that they're all 'active' they lost half a dozen other breeds: labs (gun dogs, bred to retrieve), Irish setters (bred to search for and point game on open ground), Weimaraners (developed to hunt wide, point game and retrieve it, huskies (used to pull sleds), Belgian Malinois (developed as a shepherd dog in the guardian sense, and bred for the last 50 years at least for protection work), and Dobermanns (which are at least a guarding breed).

IMHO, all of this is both disingenuous and dishonest. Yes, the ingrained breed traits will be flattened out by the show ring, but pet-bred labradors still retrieve, pet-bred dachshunds still bark and pet-bred corgis still snap at heels. I wouldn't expect a modern show-line poodle to work (very few modern poodles do), but it will not be the same as a collie or a border terrier. Genetics are genetics, and they influence behaviour as well as looks.

Drives me nuts. It lulls people into a false sense of security, and they end up with a dog that they are just not equipped to handle.

@greyeyedwonder "He's a much loved, well behaved family pet and very affectionate dog who tends to drool on you a lot."

Yeah-they always are.

They were used for hunting, and sadly have attacked and killed people in other countries.

There has been cases..and then you have the vigils and justice pages and whatever else! One a while ago think the dogs escaped attacked and were shot..so the owner posted all this stuff and so much support for her so you can't change people's mindsets!

Plus it's both the owner and the dog! Dog for being around and the owner for being awww they're fine and making excuses on excuses.

My ds friends family have an XL bully and I won’t let him go over. They’re always posting photos of it with their baby with captions like “who says bully’s are scary?” I really fear for that baby

Firstly, I don’t think XL bullies have an innate desire to kill or be violent. I actually think there are other breeds that are far more inclined to bite (I’m a cocker spaniel owner and trainer - just google cocker rage syndrome for example) - and that is of course why there are some XL bullies who live well with families.

HOWEVER, the difference with XL bullies is that they’ve been bred to be literal mutant monsters. Their jaw strength, muscle strength etc means that when they do bite/attack, its a completely different ball game to an attack from other breeds.

It’s like saying ‘all fish can bite’ - sure! But do you want a goldfish or a shark bite? 🦈

I was at a duck pound in a park with my little kids and a guy had one on a lead but no muzzle, I was furious!

The naivety of people on a local page to me is mind blowing. A lady posted who has recently had a baby and owns 2 XL bullies. The dogs apparently attacked each other, were injured but managed to be separated and the owner is asking for advice. It is shocking how the general consensus is to find a dog Trainer 🤦‍♀️

And already there's excuses being made and people defending the breed which is bizzare! Not the first case and sadly won't be the last but you have the wah wah poor dog..sorry poor victim!

True , euthanise the owners as well !!!

Sorry you had to deal with this situation. Poor you and that poor baby.

I've only met one in the flesh, but I also felt a strong, strange urge to get away from the animal, even though it seemed placid. And I remember thinking there was something off about the eyes. Not malevolent - the dog was calm at the time - but something . . . missing. The lights were on but no-one was home. I really don't know how else to describe it. I think you just put it into words here though. That blankness. There was no reaction, and from any other dog, there would be.

I was in a Pets at Home a couple of months back (in the cat waiting area) when one came out. I had my back to it but saw another owner's face look shocked, him mutter 'Christ' under his breath and turn his cage around so I turned to look and, well, they really are bloody scary looking things in real life, huh?!!

It's the jaws and muscle on them. They just scream 'I could very easily kill you', which is clearly why so many fuckwits want to walk around with them in public. They think it 'looks hard'.

I get that it's not their fault that they were so hideously bred and that they are living creatures but it's a risk I would never take for myself, never mind allow my kid to be around them.

That's disgusting.

SS really should step in, there.

Any dog can snap/get spooked/have instincts.

The difference in these dogs is they can easily kill you when something goes wrong.

I know of 2 xls, both walked by men in their early 30s.
1 I know is an ex con who has done time for violence numerous times. I'm not sure what will happen to the dog when he inevitably gets banged up again. The other I don't know personally, but is rather 'stereotypical' of the owners.
I love dogs and have a mixed breed mongrel dog of 'difficult' breeds, but I wouldn't want a bully breed, let alone a dog like that.
Yes, the 'breed'( it's not a actual breed as such, but a collection of characteristics) needs to go, but we as a society need to deal with the halfwit thugs and criminals who have these dogs and inevitably have strings of kids with halfwitted women, perpetuating the cycle.

One of the things that disturbs me most about XLs is that when you do hear these cases of a beloved family pet "snapping" and turning on the family, it always seems to be a woman or a child they've attacked. I mean, overwhelmingly. I struggle to think of a case where it was the man of the house an XL went for.

Most dogs are the other way around - protective of women and children and suspicious of men. It suggests the animal's instincts have gone awry somehow, and that makes me nervous of the whole breed

I see quite a few unmuzzled in my small town but it’s also hard to pinpoint if it definitely is one. It very much resembles an XL bully anyway

They need to shoot the dogs before they escape or attack. Afterwards is too late.