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To think something needs to be done about all these dog attacks?

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BattIestar · 25/02/2025 20:51

And if so, what? What is the solution? My kids witnessed an attack recently, it hasn't yet made the news, and it wasn't deadly nor did the victims require overnighting at hospital, but my children are now wary of walking to school, and being in the playpark. I hate that we are living in fear of dangerous dogs, and really think it is high time something proper was done about it.

https://www.warwickshireworld.com/community/several-dangerously-out-of-control-animals-seized-and-man-arrested-after-dog-and-walker-attacked-4996021?fbclid=IwY2xjawIrCq1leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHa1YUA3bHzoq_pxI7TwdO4w9hshfrow9PxUD0VpJG1LbgSkwc4JPRA0euw_aem_JMCCUtSRtxMqwxBAThDhBQ

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/herne-bay/news/teen-injured-in-dog-attack-in-residential-street-320351/?fbclid=IwY2xjawIrC0tleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHTWY4zAPIYc8FEZfB9beTtbmrCASCSz_xUnQVseSIC2sDP3eKSeXP06AAg_aem_BA0Cw6SxxhlAErwSGsGZBA

https://yourherefordshire.co.uk/all/news/breaking-police-would-like-to-speak-to-a-man-following-a-dog-attack-in-herefordshire/?fbclid=IwY2xjawIrC1pleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHXq3Pnj9d5fXTDfAXCDes_X_9Hk7-CnsblXBfc4lQXCcvvLqwLGgAh4QzA_aem_N61Z-O4i2e6VG67vPLaQkA

https://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/news/24960445.armed-police-bardsley-avenue-bewsey-xl-bully-dog-attack/?fbclid=IwY2xjawIrC2hleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHRHREId8LTMtQgHjS8JVw9q7gVYWWakhqlKayXA5e-fuBkMMicfFfjsvVg_aem_HYpvfZuhY_Iq_EMgSlGrIQ

The above are all very recent incidents, which I found when I was looking to see if the one my kids and I saw had made the news. I bet there are many more thst don't get reported too. And then we have the crazies spouting "it's the owner not the breed", or "something must have provoked it". In the incident we saw, the dog bolted out of its owner's front door and jumped up at a stranger walking along, knocking them over and mouthing their sleeve - I think the only reason it wasn't worse than it was is because the guy had a very thick coat on. If that had been my kids in their thin blazer uniform, I dread to think.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/two-attacked-family-dog-after-31015876?fbclid=IwY2xjawIrDB1leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHVBbWJkkOJJ_O5mEFgA-RfzzPiud9QsanPcMUQ2HkKpScEqfubC4X1eSbg_aem_WkZXswfnJpUMgERlgNERRg#amp-readmore-target

https://www.wigantoday.net/news/crime/wigan-dog-attack-police-issue-picture-of-pet-owner-4960583?fbclid=IwY2xjawIrDDNleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHZ9q6tFB-TD2O-mqoHbZkh7kN_JpCyESva9LgrhtWlRto5ExCTUbHAxh3g_aem_gC6a5KoO1hOuXYBQ01w1jQ#w2e4b783th709kb31uiwoxny8q94akg

I think we need to get tougher on owners - any dog bites anyone, the owner goes to jail as if it were them who directly caused the injury.

I also think we need to actually properly ban the top dangerous breeds (we all know which they are).

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mumto2teenagers · 27/02/2025 20:27

anniegun · 27/02/2025 09:02

Dogs contribute nothing to our society. We should stop allowing people to have them as pets

Aside from dogs that have actual jobs which help protect society or as support. Police dogs, detection dogs, guide dogs, etc. owning a dog as a pet also has many positive benefits:

Keeping people fit and active, therefore reducing pressure on the NHS.
Good for owners mental health.
Helping people feel connected, our elderly neighbour takes her dog for 2 short walks a day, she has said without the dog she would spend most days indoors.

Something does need to be done regarding the amount of dog attacks, we have 2 staffies, both are well trained. We keep them on a lead when in public areas, we pay to hire a secure field 2 or 3 times a week to allow them off lead. We would welcome a dog licence, I think it should include mandatory training and annual health checks. But the issue is as a responsible owner we would comply, but the owners of the dogs which attack are in general not the responsible owners so would not comply anyway. Breed specific legislation does not work and I do not believe any dog should be destroyed purely based on their breed.

If we were to destroy every XL Bully, who would euthanize them all. Many vets will refuse to put down a healthy animal, rightly so.

BattIestar · 27/02/2025 20:27

WeylandYutani · 27/02/2025 20:24

You can't destroy a dog that has done nothing wrong. Yes, the attacks from XL bully's have been awful, but there are also XL bully's that have done nothing wrong. The owners have done all the right things, and the dogs have great temperament. Not all will go on to attack, and it wont be fair on the innocent dogs and owners to have them seized, probably traumatically, and put to sleep after months in police kennels.

Yet. Done nothing wrong YET. And maybe they never will, but that, imo, is too high a risk when we have these kinds of attacks so regularly. Not just attacks to the death, but severe maulings too, life-changing attacks.

Would you really rather have 1000 XL bullies rather than one person not killed? I would. I'd pick humans every time. If we had gotten rid of all the XLs, this woman in Bristol would still be alive.

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BattIestar · 27/02/2025 20:28

mumto2teenagers · 27/02/2025 20:27

Aside from dogs that have actual jobs which help protect society or as support. Police dogs, detection dogs, guide dogs, etc. owning a dog as a pet also has many positive benefits:

Keeping people fit and active, therefore reducing pressure on the NHS.
Good for owners mental health.
Helping people feel connected, our elderly neighbour takes her dog for 2 short walks a day, she has said without the dog she would spend most days indoors.

Something does need to be done regarding the amount of dog attacks, we have 2 staffies, both are well trained. We keep them on a lead when in public areas, we pay to hire a secure field 2 or 3 times a week to allow them off lead. We would welcome a dog licence, I think it should include mandatory training and annual health checks. But the issue is as a responsible owner we would comply, but the owners of the dogs which attack are in general not the responsible owners so would not comply anyway. Breed specific legislation does not work and I do not believe any dog should be destroyed purely based on their breed.

If we were to destroy every XL Bully, who would euthanize them all. Many vets will refuse to put down a healthy animal, rightly so.

Who puts down cows in the abattoir? Why are dogs any different?

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ThankyouBakedP0tato · 27/02/2025 20:32

BattIestar · 27/02/2025 20:08

On a serious note though, that poor 19yo girl. What a horrific way to die. It was inside a home though, so she most likely did put herself in harm's way. I would never enter a home with one, not for £1m. Not for anything. Maybe if it were muzzled and in a cage and sedated.

Can't bear to imagine how brutal that attack was. Same for Nicole Morley, of whom there is footage of her own savage beasts mauling her to death, losing an arm before she lost her life.

There is no way these animals deserve to be here. Starmer MUST cull them all. If a few pitbulls are killed but it stops even one more human dying like this, I don't see that as a bad trade off. Humans are worth more than dogs.

The poor lass had probably been convinced that the dog was 'a big softy and wouldn't hurt a fly'.

This news has been a big reminder to me to have a proper talk with my teen about checking for dogs before he goes into anyone's house for the next 10 years - if there is a large dog and he's unsure if it's an XL, make any excuse you like and just leave asap. Pretend your allergic or something.

WeylandYutani · 27/02/2025 20:35

BattIestar · 27/02/2025 20:28

Who puts down cows in the abattoir? Why are dogs any different?

People who work in slaughter houses are processing animals for food.
They will possibly have their own pets at home.
Pets are euthanised gently in a nice environment with those who love them with them. They don't have a bolt to the head, or are electrocuted or gassed.
To say XL bullys can just be sent to a slaughter house, that is not setup to deal with dogs, would be denying their owners the chance to say goodbye. If they were all seized and PTS, then it would be very traumatic for their owners.

Mrsbloggz · 27/02/2025 22:08

WeylandYutani · 27/02/2025 18:54

OK, let us just say your dead relatives should be used to feed zoo animals too. They are dead, after all.

The dog is not your relative.

WeylandYutani · 28/02/2025 00:21

Mrsbloggz · 27/02/2025 22:08

The dog is not your relative.

My dog is my family though.

BattIestar · 28/02/2025 00:23

ThankyouBakedP0tato · 27/02/2025 20:32

The poor lass had probably been convinced that the dog was 'a big softy and wouldn't hurt a fly'.

This news has been a big reminder to me to have a proper talk with my teen about checking for dogs before he goes into anyone's house for the next 10 years - if there is a large dog and he's unsure if it's an XL, make any excuse you like and just leave asap. Pretend your allergic or something.

I have raised mine to do the same. They will not enter any home with a dog. It is not worth the risk.

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BattIestar · 28/02/2025 00:24

WeylandYutani · 27/02/2025 20:35

People who work in slaughter houses are processing animals for food.
They will possibly have their own pets at home.
Pets are euthanised gently in a nice environment with those who love them with them. They don't have a bolt to the head, or are electrocuted or gassed.
To say XL bullys can just be sent to a slaughter house, that is not setup to deal with dogs, would be denying their owners the chance to say goodbye. If they were all seized and PTS, then it would be very traumatic for their owners.

You have been conditioned to think this way. Animals are the same - dog, cow, sheep. We don't owe dogs a better life than cows or sheep or pigs. Such misplaced sentimentality.

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BattIestar · 28/02/2025 00:25

WeylandYutani · 28/02/2025 00:21

My dog is my family though.

No it isn't. It is your pet.

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WeylandYutani · 28/02/2025 00:28

BattIestar · 28/02/2025 00:25

No it isn't. It is your pet.

You don't get to tell me how to label my pet. She is my companion, best friend, and family. None of that takes anything away from you at all.

BattIestar · 28/02/2025 00:37

I honestly find that terribly sad. A dog is your best friend?????

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WeylandYutani · 28/02/2025 00:39

BattIestar · 28/02/2025 00:37

I honestly find that terribly sad. A dog is your best friend?????

I am ND. People have hurt me and let me down all my life. My dog never has.

Mama2many73 · 28/02/2025 00:53

BattIestar · 25/02/2025 23:12

That's so awful, that poor baby.

There was also a case near me a few yrs back where a terrier killed a very young baby, but if people are about the chances are you can remove an aggressive terrier. You have no chance with a bulky tyre.
My granda had working dogs, very highly trained collies. They were never left alone with any of us grandkids and if they had ever bitten anyone/thing (inc animals) he always said theyd be put down because he said 'that's how their system now works'.

hehehesorry · 28/02/2025 02:31

MellowTiger · 25/02/2025 23:23

Small breeds can significantly injure a baby or child. When I was younger a friend rehomed a Jack Russell. A small child had fallen from a sofa onto the sleeping dog who attacked the child and severely disfigured him.
Bit you’re obviously right, larger dogs are more likely to kill people, particularly if there is more than one of them.

Terriers are bloodsport breeds, ofcourse they're dangerous but people love them because they're small and sporty. People need to know what their breeds are about and stay away from dogs bred for their teeth

ItShouldntHappenToMeYet · 28/02/2025 06:28

anniegun · 27/02/2025 09:02

Dogs contribute nothing to our society. We should stop allowing people to have them as pets

And this ladies and gentlemen, is the type of considered and well-crafted statement that encouraged us to win two world wars.

HangingOver · 28/02/2025 07:26

anniegun · 27/02/2025 09:02

Dogs contribute nothing to our society. We should stop allowing people to have them as pets

Oh fuck offffffffffffff

caramac04 · 28/02/2025 10:51

@HangingOver you are completely ridiculous
Apart from service dogs ie police, trained therapy etc, dogs do provide comfort and a reason to be active, and often, social which is a massive benefit to many many people.
We have centuries of breeding dogs for our purposes.
Dog owners also contribute absolutely massively to the economy.

Mrsbloggz · 28/02/2025 11:11

WeylandYutani · 28/02/2025 00:21

My dog is my family though.

I can equally claim that the frogs in my pond are my family but I wouldn't expect anyone else to indulge me and agree with me that they all deserve a respectful burial.

BattIestar · 28/02/2025 11:48

Aaaand there's another one. It's daily, isn't it. What a shithole country this is. Im encouraging my kids to move abroad to a country that isn't beholden to this dog lunacy.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/woman-seriously-hurt-dog-attack-31099424?fbclid=IwY2xjawIugYpleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHRBvfXAePyQHCzxc6ghzsQdxt7ZoPlQG72pE1MhCCQTRBHkbLnSct52oCQ_aem_v0ZApnNPcaDx0BxXoKNDEw

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SnoopysHoose · 28/02/2025 11:48

This thread is very disturbing, OP posts are increasingly vitriolic and downright disturbed, dogs are family to so many people , a huge emotional bond and to read vile comments regards throwing their bodies to tigers is horrific & cruel and evil.
These posters have to think of the effect their words have on people.
Disgusting thread.

Butteredtoast55 · 28/02/2025 11:51

MellowTiger · 25/02/2025 22:43

That’s a bit harsh - no one should be forced to live in Skegness.

Actually, my aunt and uncle had a lovely retirement in Skegness and my uncle at 94 is still very happy there. Keep your snobbery to yourself.

JacquesHarlow · 28/02/2025 11:51

BattIestar · 28/02/2025 00:25

No it isn't. It is your pet.

@BattIestar I love that you have started this argument on here and I agree 100% that there needs to be tougher sanctions on people who own and breed dangerous dogs

However -

You sadly cannot use this line of argument on dog owners in the UK, who treat the ownership of their dogs as some sort of human right.

They will happily value the affection they get from a dog and therefore place dogs above human beings

They're the sort who write on Facebook "A dog cannot lie, cannot steal, cannot betray. That's why they're worth more than humans".

I've seen all the memes and the soppy posts, and you just can't reason with these folk. Dogs are their family, they'll shout you down for it.

Butteredtoast55 · 28/02/2025 11:53

If I'm honest, I think the ownership of dangerous dogs should be banned and owners given tougher sentences if their dogs attack. But I think dogs generally are a concern. Many dog owners, even responsible ones, idolise their dogs and overlook the harm they could do.

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