To think something needs to be done about all these dog attacks?

[BattIestar]

And if so, what? What is the solution? My kids witnessed an attack recently, it hasn't yet made the news, and it wasn't deadly nor did the victims require overnighting at hospital, but my children are now wary of walking to school, and being in the playpark. I hate that we are living in fear of dangerous dogs, and really think it is high time something proper was done about it.

https://www.warwickshireworld.com/community/several-dangerously-out-of-control-animals-seized-and-man-arrested-after-dog-and-walker-attacked-4996021?fbclid=IwY2xjawIrCq1leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHa1YUA3bHzoq_pxI7TwdO4w9hshfrow9PxUD0VpJG1LbgSkwc4JPRA0euw_aem_JMCCUtSRtxMqwxBAThDhBQ

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/herne-bay/news/teen-injured-in-dog-attack-in-residential-street-320351/?fbclid=IwY2xjawIrC0tleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHTWY4zAPIYc8FEZfB9beTtbmrCASCSz_xUnQVseSIC2sDP3eKSeXP06AAg_aem_BA0Cw6SxxhlAErwSGsGZBA

https://yourherefordshire.co.uk/all/news/breaking-police-would-like-to-speak-to-a-man-following-a-dog-attack-in-herefordshire/?fbclid=IwY2xjawIrC1pleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHXq3Pnj9d5fXTDfAXCDes_X_9Hk7-CnsblXBfc4lQXCcvvLqwLGgAh4QzA_aem_N61Z-O4i2e6VG67vPLaQkA

https://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/news/24960445.armed-police-bardsley-avenue-bewsey-xl-bully-dog-attack/?fbclid=IwY2xjawIrC2hleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHRHREId8LTMtQgHjS8JVw9q7gVYWWakhqlKayXA5e-fuBkMMicfFfjsvVg_aem_HYpvfZuhY_Iq_EMgSlGrIQ

The above are all very recent incidents, which I found when I was looking to see if the one my kids and I saw had made the news. I bet there are many more thst don't get reported too. And then we have the crazies spouting "it's the owner not the breed", or "something must have provoked it". In the incident we saw, the dog bolted out of its owner's front door and jumped up at a stranger walking along, knocking them over and mouthing their sleeve - I think the only reason it wasn't worse than it was is because the guy had a very thick coat on. If that had been my kids in their thin blazer uniform, I dread to think.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/two-attacked-family-dog-after-31015876?fbclid=IwY2xjawIrDB1leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHVBbWJkkOJJ_O5mEFgA-RfzzPiud9QsanPcMUQ2HkKpScEqfubC4X1eSbg_aem_WkZXswfnJpUMgERlgNERRg#amp-readmore-target

https://www.wigantoday.net/news/crime/wigan-dog-attack-police-issue-picture-of-pet-owner-4960583?fbclid=IwY2xjawIrDDNleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHZ9q6tFB-TD2O-mqoHbZkh7kN_JpCyESva9LgrhtWlRto5ExCTUbHAxh3g_aem_gC6a5KoO1hOuXYBQ01w1jQ#w2e4b783th709kb31uiwoxny8q94akg

I think we need to get tougher on owners - any dog bites anyone, the owner goes to jail as if it were them who directly caused the injury.

I also think we need to actually properly ban the top dangerous breeds (we all know which they are).

I think we need to get tougher on owners - any dog bites anyone, the owner goes to jail as if it were them who directly caused the injury.

Are you on glue? 😂

We don't jail people who commit actual crimes, never mind Mavis at number 47 whose chihuahua bit the postman. Be realistic.

Ban backyard breeding. Where do you think these mentally unstable, ill tempered dogs are coming from? Not the KC breeders who register their pups and do stringent home checks.

It's the intellectually challenged morons who think they'll 'let their bitch have a litter' before they spay her or who stud their unpredictable dog out to Sharon across the road because his puppies will be cute! No genetic testing, no health screening.

Make neutering and spaying mandatory and force breeders to register and do the necessary screening or be shut down. Stop it at the source.

@Balloonhearts
KC breeders aren't all they are cracked up to be, too many breed for looks and not health, only need to look at the frenchies

That's true too. But as a general rule, they do at least screen the parents and don't breed them if they have unstable temperaments. It's better than any Tom Dick or Harry breeding XL bullies without any checks at all.

Were you on the vino before you posted this?
Feed all XL Bullies to the tigers? Which tigers?

There isn't a vet in the country who would support a blanket euthanisation of any breed including XL Bullies.

The Rspca and Dog's Trust campaigned against the Govt's ban on the grounds of deed not breed so you wouldn't find support there or any other animal charity either, I suspect.

Fatalities caused by dogs account for 2 or 3 deaths per year if you take XL Bullies out of the stats. 2 or 3 out of 13.5 million dogs. And in the vast majority of those cases, mismanagement of the dog is the cause, not the breed.

In regards to the same breeds you favour, one of them, a Jack Russell, attacked and killed a baby recently. In his summary remarks, the judge pointed out two major contributory factors. One, the dog was forced to live outside. Dogs are highly sociable animals and to make a dog live a lonely life away from the family is cruel and will very negatively effect its behaviour. Secondly, the dog's behaviour on first meeting the baby was to act aggressively but it was still left alone unsupervised with the baby which led to the tragic outcome. The Jack Russell breed is a perfectly sound breed which has been in society for hundreds of years but this particular dog wasn't managed properly. You can't dismiss the human contribution to these tragedies.

And if we're going to start banning things on the basis of death and disfigurement caused by them, why not ban cars? The odds of being in a RTA or being hit by a car are significantly higher than being attacked or killed by a dog.

I don't like the XL Bully breed at all either, but I wouldn't support a blanket euthanasia, that's just draconian.

What I still think the government got wrong is there was no need to prove your dog isn’t aggressive to get an exemption for an XL bully. As long as you paid the fee you got one and there were no temperament tests or vets report etc. needed so you could own a perfectly legal but aggressive XL. Yes it should be muzzled but what about when it escapes as these recent attacks seem to be caused by? But banning breeds really doesn’t work, Pit Bulls have been banned for years and yet there is still around 3000 registered and exempted in the UK.

Muzzles

Dogs need mental as well as physical exercise, smelling their surroundings is literally how dogs communicate with each other, muzzles interfere with a dogs ability to properly smell their surroundings.

Muzzles can interfear with a dogs ability to breathe properly, especially if they can't open their mouth. Muzzles also prevent dogs from yawning, which is crucial to regulating their emotions. Dogs yawn to show frustration, fear, anxiety, not just tiredness. Muzzles are for extremly short durations only. A ten minute vet appointment or walking through a busy crowd. They are not for exercise. A muzzle, worn for extended periods, causes frustration and aggression in a dog.

Fenced Areas

There are no dog parks in the UK. Unless you mean a half acre of scrub land surrounded by a chain link fence. Those are not dog parks.

You cannot properly exercise a dog in a confined space where other dogs are also trapped. A high energy breed like a Working Spaniel or a Collie needs to run, which isn't safe in a small enclosure where dozens of other dogs are also present.

Also, not all dogs like to be around other dogs, in which case exercise them in a small enclosure wouldn't be possible. And I don't mean they they are aggressive, some dogs just don't want to be around other dogs and will seek to avoid them. Imagine trying to do that in a small enclosed space.

The problem is you have these killing machines and the type of people that own one are as thick as pigshit. Those have own one and have kids needs to seriously have their competency as a parent called into question.

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Ignorant people shouldn't own dogs, but practically I don't see how you can enforce that. There was an awful accident local to me a few weeks back involving an arsehole owner, an off lead spaniel and a young horse rider. The horse was killed in an RTA and it was very fortunate no people were seriously injured or killed:

https://www.yourhorse.co.uk/news/owners-tribute-to-pony-who-died-on-the-road/

A well fitting basket muzzle can be used perfectly safely. They don't impact a dogs ability to breathe, sniff their surroundings, or drink. I used one for many years when walking my rescue greyhound as he was known to be fear reactive with other dogs. It probably prevented him nipping a fair few off lead dogs which would approach him (always on lead) and bother him. The owners were normally not in any rush to get their dog away and back on a lead!

Meanwhile, how many other dogs and cats are being mauled by these breeds? It's not just humans I care about. Having these dodgy breeds means many other animals are suffering.

I am sure there are still tigers and lions etc at various zoos. What do we feed them? Some poor goats and sheep, I expect. Why not feed them euthanised pitbulls? Makes perfect sense to me. Dogs are not more special than goats.

That's awful, that poor horse and owner.

They need their kids removing, for child endangerment.

The ban would work if it was implemented. I don't know why they didn't really follow through with it.

Well maybe we should. This country has gone to shit. Knife crime is through the roof. Littering is worse. Dog shit everywhere. Dogs killing people, other pets. Maiming people, pets. I am generally very left wing, but I support tougher measures on criminals, so we can all live in a safer society. And yes, that includes Mavis whose dog bit the postman. Why should postal delivery workers be subjected to this at work? They need to be kept safe.

Nothing will be done until the people who think they’re harmless realise how dangerous they are. Sadly I know dog owners (who don’t own these breeds) who continue to say it’s the owner not the dog to blame. This is true to a degree but I still don’t agree with them as pets.

Recently near me an off lead dangerous breed attacked a dog, which was in a park where children walk to school. Owner of the attacked dog won’t report the attack though so I won’t let my child in the park.

Dogs contribute nothing to our society. We should stop allowing people to have them as pets

A few months ago DH and I collected a friend of his who lives in Denmark to go out for the day. She has 2 rescue dogs, they were shut in the living room as we collected her, my DC wanted to see the dogs but she refused as her dogs aren't used to children and in Denmark if a dog bites it has to be put down. I was impressed at the common sense of this.

Why wouldn't the owner of the poor dog report it? This needs to be reported every time, as it will escalate. And next time, it could be a child.

Because those dogs were at some point, someone's pet. The owners would want the body/ashes back like they would any other pet they had.
You are insisting their dogs are forcibly removed, killed, and the owner can't even have the remains back? You sound pretty heartless.
The big cats in zoos already have a system in place regarding their food. They don't need to eat people's deceased pets too.

My dog is the reason I get up and out the house at times. She is contributing a great deal to me.

Another death as a result of an attack.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/bristol-xl-bully-attack-woman-dead-b2705882.html

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-bristol-dog-attack-young-34762250
Two people have been arrested after a young woman was killed by a dog in Bristol.
Police raced to the address in the Hartcliffe area of the city at 7.19pm yesterday after recieving a report from ambulance service, but despite their efforts the 19-year-old victim died at the scene. The woman's family have been informed.
The dog has been seized and sedated. Initial reports suggest it may be an XL Bully, though police said a full veterinary assessment will be used to determine the dog's breed.
A man and a woman, both aged in their 20s, were arrested on suspicion of being in charge of a dog dangerously out of control causing injury resulting in death and possession of a prohibited breed of dog. They remain in police custody.

Awful. I find this so depressing.

What a waste of meat.

I don’t know, I’ve said twice that the dog is a danger when children walk through the park as it’s near a school but it falls on deaf ears. They are of the opinion it’s the owners (which is true) but the dog itself isn’t dangerous.

OK, let us just say your dead relatives should be used to feed zoo animals too. They are dead, after all.