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To be hurt by MIL having regular lunch with her other two DILs and never inviting me.

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Sacredhandbag · 22/02/2025 16:39

DH has two brothers and a sister.

I thought MIL and I got on well. Not besties or anything but got along fine together. She's a great grandmother. I've always considered myself lucky to have her.
Recently she's been unwell and as I can be around during the day (I'm on maternity leave) I've popped round her house to help her with some laundry and other bits and when she went back to work I spent the day waiting in her house for her for an important delivery she couldn't miss.

Ive just found out that for the past year, she, her daughter, and the wives of her two other sons meet up for lunch every Tuesday and I have not once been invited.

I'm also regularly ignored on the family whatsapp when I suggest to the SILs that we meet up with our kids.

I'm really hurt and I just don't understand. If they dislike me, why was MIL happy to have me over to help her out when she needed it? The other DILs and her daughter didn't, as far as I know.
If it was just her and her daughter, or her and one of her other DILs, I'd understand but it's the fact that it's a group of them that I've been left out of that's upsetting.

DH has offered to speak to her and ask if I can come along but I've said no for now.

AIBU to be upset?

Edit: we all live locally, in the same small town.

OP posts:
Breezeblock · 22/02/2025 19:56

Also, I know not everyone is on MN, but seeing as it is a group of mothers with young kids, the chance of one of them seeing this is somewhat reasonably high.

Jojoisnotmyname · 22/02/2025 19:56

@Sacredhandbag That's shit!! I'd be upset too. Definitely let your DH ask why you've never been asked, but I certainly wouldn't go now anyway! I'm glad to see he got your back! Don't forget how they've treated you, no more favours!

Cherrysoup · 22/02/2025 19:57

Breezeblock · 22/02/2025 19:56

Also, I know not everyone is on MN, but seeing as it is a group of mothers with young kids, the chance of one of them seeing this is somewhat reasonably high.

Good, I hope they feel terrible.

pinkstripeycat · 22/02/2025 19:58

Sacredhandbag · 22/02/2025 18:00

Yes, they take their kids. It's deliberately been set up in a (very nice, very middle class) kid friendly place that has kid menus, highchairs, a play area and is attached to a park.
I actually go myself quite often, it's amazing I haven't bumped into them.

I want to know what a middle class restaurant is.

I know there are very expensive restaurants and then the rest but I’d never give a restaurant a class, not even an exceptionally expensive one. 😂

Mumtobabyhavoc · 22/02/2025 19:59

Message them. Ask point blank if you've done something to offend them because your invites to meet up are ignored and they routinely get together without ever offering you an invite. Tell them you want to clear up any misunderstanding if there is one. Keep the message simple like this. Keep your dh out of it.
If that goes no where stop wasting your time, energy and emotion on them. Create a circle of friends/other family that you enjoy being with and who enjoy being with you. Move on.

Breezeblock · 22/02/2025 20:03

pinkstripeycat · 22/02/2025 19:58

I want to know what a middle class restaurant is.

I know there are very expensive restaurants and then the rest but I’d never give a restaurant a class, not even an exceptionally expensive one. 😂

I’d say like the type of cafe in a national trust building.

TattooGuineaPig · 22/02/2025 20:03

Mumtobabyhavoc · 22/02/2025 19:59

Message them. Ask point blank if you've done something to offend them because your invites to meet up are ignored and they routinely get together without ever offering you an invite. Tell them you want to clear up any misunderstanding if there is one. Keep the message simple like this. Keep your dh out of it.
If that goes no where stop wasting your time, energy and emotion on them. Create a circle of friends/other family that you enjoy being with and who enjoy being with you. Move on.

Where would you think it might go? It won't become an invitation to join them, and if it does it will be a horrible, awkward event to join.

Lookwhoitisnae · 22/02/2025 20:03

Sacredhandbag · 22/02/2025 19:50

That's so sad. I just don't understand that. Was there a fall out or something or a reason DH isn't favoured?

No fall out, he's a grumpy git but a good man. Just his younger brother has always been favoured. Always. Yet his folks make out there nothing wrong.
When asked about SiL and her demands we stay away from her house, MiL hasnt a clue why she said that. Or what we've done wrong.
It is sad but what can you do?

Quinlan · 22/02/2025 20:04

Your right not to want to go now, it woild be awful to go knowing they’ve been told to invite you. But you are wrong to stop your husband calling his mum and SiLs and letting them know what he thinks of them. They excluded his wife and his children. The other cousins will be so much closer to one another and your kids will be on the outside. It’s really shitty and they need to be told it’s really shitty and also need to be told how hurtful it is that they have done this.

BettyBardMacDonald · 22/02/2025 20:11

Quinlan · 22/02/2025 20:04

Your right not to want to go now, it woild be awful to go knowing they’ve been told to invite you. But you are wrong to stop your husband calling his mum and SiLs and letting them know what he thinks of them. They excluded his wife and his children. The other cousins will be so much closer to one another and your kids will be on the outside. It’s really shitty and they need to be told it’s really shitty and also need to be told how hurtful it is that they have done this.

I agree but if I were the OP I wouldn't want pity/obligatory invitations. Or to be invited just to placate her DH. Bottom line is they chose to exclude her and her kids for nearly a year and almost got away with it.

I'm sure any approach by her DH would get a wide-eyed disingenuous "oh but we thought she'd be so busy/tired/overwhelmed with the baby and all..." or "Oh we didn't want to interrupt her peaceful mat leave" or whatever. They won't tell the truth.

Only if DH is prepared to tell his mother to fuck off, and to follow up by a sustained period of NC, would I allow him to confront her.

LookItsMeAgain · 22/02/2025 20:11

Floralnomad · 22/02/2025 18:04

Definitely leave the WhatsApp group .

Don’t leave the group. Put it on mute for a year instead.

dapsnotplimsolls · 22/02/2025 20:11

If DH really wants to chase it up - who is he more likely to get a straight answer from?

LookItsMeAgain · 22/02/2025 20:12

Sacredhandbag · 22/02/2025 18:07

I'm actually so tempted to do this.

My DH wouldn't like it though. He's a straightforward person and would prefer to just speak openly whether I do it or he does on my behalf. He hates "game playing".

There’s no reason why you shouldn’t do this as well as your DH having a word with his siblings and his mother.

FreebieWallopFridge · 22/02/2025 20:13

Sacredhandbag · 22/02/2025 19:41

The more I'm thinking about it, the more upset I'm feeling.

Maternity leave is an isolating time. I really would have loved a nice lunch every Tuesday with some other mums. I'd love to see the cousins play together every week. I feel like it's not just me that's been excluded but my kids too. Why have they done this? I've actually had a little cry

DH is now strongly pushing for him to say something. He says it needs to be out in the open and delt with and he thinks it will be mentioned on Tuesday by the cafe worker any way. He's saying he wants to ring his mum or one of his brothers. I'm close to letting him.

I'm racking my brains to think of something I might have said or done to offend one of them but I can't think of anything.

Just let him!

Edcc · 22/02/2025 20:14

OP, nice people always search for the fault to be theirs, but often its not.

That you are on mat leave is particularly distasteful.

Please don't react while understandably emotional.
I have regretted every time i have.

Let your powder cool.
Sometimes its not against you, they simply never thought of you at all.
Equally upsetting.

Its reminded me of an old story from 15 years ago.
Three sons married and one lived near and was super helpful with his wife to his mother.
Friend wasn't super close but was kind and nice.
Big family gathering at Christmas and lovely gifts all round.
On Boxing day there is a big party and the other two DIL's apoear wearing a couple of gorgeous pieces of MIL's jewellery that they had chosen on Christmas day.

My friend was just stunned and felt very hurt. They had gathered in MIL's bedroom and picked out three pieces each.
My friend really could not believe what she was hearing.
She was so hurt and felt so excluded, like primary school.
She stuck out the evening despite wanting a big cry, and was "sick" for a few days as she tried to gather herself.

Holiday finished and her MIL finally noticed her absence.
Her husband asked about the jewellery and she said 'oh I never thought' and was confused as to what the fuss was.🙄
She said oh let her pick a piece if she is so upset, I had no idea...words to that affect.

Of course my friend was having none of it and declined.
Eventually her MIL apologised as she simply wasn't seeing my friend.
My friend politely accepted the apology but the relationship never recovered.
It wasn't even the jewellery, it was that she never even thought of her.
She made it very clear to her husband it was now all on him.
She returned to tennis, and spent time playing while her husband did the visiting to MIL.
Returning to tennis was a great boon to her.
She remaining pleasant and polite but largely absent playing tennis

It was never fixed. I remember her telling a few of this, explaining her return to tennis and we all wondered wth she could have been thinking to exclude her....but she simply never thought.

Don't rush into anything.

diddl · 22/02/2025 20:16

Where would you think it might go? It won't become an invitation to join them, and if it does it will be a horrible, awkward event to join.

That's the problem isn't it?

They either don't want to invite her or no one has thought about her.

I can't think of an option that explains things in a good way.

IlooklikeNigella · 22/02/2025 20:19

That is utterly bizarre and no matter what way it began I can't believe it hasn't occurred to any of them to include you.

I don't like game playing either so I'm with your DH.

I would let him speak to his mother, explain what the cafe worker said and that you are now confused and hurt. Then when she or they broach it with you I would be entirely honest and say "I feel very hurt and confused". Not angry, sarcastic or accusatory as that will give them an opportunity to paint you as the bad guy. If an invitation is extended say "I would have loved to be included before this happened. Now I'd honestly just feel awkward and unwanted. It's a shame but I can't pretend otherwise."

IlooklikeNigella · 22/02/2025 20:20

That is utterly bizarre and no matter what way it began I can't believe it hasn't occurred to any of them to include you.

I don't like game playing either so I'm with your DH.

I would let him speak to his mother, explain what the cafe worker said and that you are now confused and hurt. Then when she or they broach it with you I would be entirely honest and say "I feel very hurt and confused". Not angry, sarcastic or accusatory as that will give them an opportunity to paint you as the bad guy. If an invitation is extended say "I would have loved to be included before this happened. Now I'd honestly just feel awkward and unwanted. It's a shame but I can't pretend otherwise."

LookItsMeAgain · 22/02/2025 20:22

Sacredhandbag · 22/02/2025 19:41

The more I'm thinking about it, the more upset I'm feeling.

Maternity leave is an isolating time. I really would have loved a nice lunch every Tuesday with some other mums. I'd love to see the cousins play together every week. I feel like it's not just me that's been excluded but my kids too. Why have they done this? I've actually had a little cry

DH is now strongly pushing for him to say something. He says it needs to be out in the open and delt with and he thinks it will be mentioned on Tuesday by the cafe worker any way. He's saying he wants to ring his mum or one of his brothers. I'm close to letting him.

I'm racking my brains to think of something I might have said or done to offend one of them but I can't think of anything.

Let him. He’s on your side. Let him help.

user7894320974 · 22/02/2025 20:24

That’s horrible OP. How mean of them all!
I had similar with a friend who had been suffering from depression, I helped put loads, one day I suggested an outing to a local place, every excuse why she couldn’t…turned out it was because she was going there regularly with school mum friends. Funnily enough shortly afterwards I wasn’t so available for helping!
I think I’d say nothing but I definitely wouldn't be putting myself out for any of them going forward.

TagSplashMaverick · 22/02/2025 20:24

Hwi · 22/02/2025 18:52

If you are thinking about the inheritance, there is nothing you can do. I would not have like it, if I were you either. But there is nothing you can do. If you are not thinking about inheritance, you can do a lot of things - ask her outright what the hell is going on.

The minute there’s a sniff of a wealthy relative, you get ludicrous posts like this.

OldGothsFadeToGrey · 22/02/2025 20:33

Edcc · 22/02/2025 20:14

OP, nice people always search for the fault to be theirs, but often its not.

That you are on mat leave is particularly distasteful.

Please don't react while understandably emotional.
I have regretted every time i have.

Let your powder cool.
Sometimes its not against you, they simply never thought of you at all.
Equally upsetting.

Its reminded me of an old story from 15 years ago.
Three sons married and one lived near and was super helpful with his wife to his mother.
Friend wasn't super close but was kind and nice.
Big family gathering at Christmas and lovely gifts all round.
On Boxing day there is a big party and the other two DIL's apoear wearing a couple of gorgeous pieces of MIL's jewellery that they had chosen on Christmas day.

My friend was just stunned and felt very hurt. They had gathered in MIL's bedroom and picked out three pieces each.
My friend really could not believe what she was hearing.
She was so hurt and felt so excluded, like primary school.
She stuck out the evening despite wanting a big cry, and was "sick" for a few days as she tried to gather herself.

Holiday finished and her MIL finally noticed her absence.
Her husband asked about the jewellery and she said 'oh I never thought' and was confused as to what the fuss was.🙄
She said oh let her pick a piece if she is so upset, I had no idea...words to that affect.

Of course my friend was having none of it and declined.
Eventually her MIL apologised as she simply wasn't seeing my friend.
My friend politely accepted the apology but the relationship never recovered.
It wasn't even the jewellery, it was that she never even thought of her.
She made it very clear to her husband it was now all on him.
She returned to tennis, and spent time playing while her husband did the visiting to MIL.
Returning to tennis was a great boon to her.
She remaining pleasant and polite but largely absent playing tennis

It was never fixed. I remember her telling a few of this, explaining her return to tennis and we all wondered wth she could have been thinking to exclude her....but she simply never thought.

Don't rush into anything.

Thinks of OP soon enough when she wants laundry doing or a parcel picking up. OP is ‘the help’.

Also your poor friend. I agree. Some people are just not seen properly until they make themselves less available after stuff like this.

Volpini · 22/02/2025 20:37

Having been in this position in a friendship group in recent years, with people I really loved, it was a real shock when it dawned on me that it wasn’t reciprocated. There were some other things going on, that were nothing to do with me, but the end result still meant I was dropped.
It really really hurts when you realise that people you really love and have prioritised maybe have different priorities. I get that. And I did try to express some of this but - as many have said - people want to be the good guy and they are never straight about what they are up to. If they were the type of people to play with a straight bat, you wouldn’t be on here posting about how they’ve been and my ex friends wouldn’t have been so spineless.

I wish I’d just dropped the rope (although I got there in the end) and focused on myself and those who love me. I also had to look at myself and question why I chose not to see what was in front of my face or why I ran after these people as long as I did.

Im so sorry that you are in the sharp end of this right now and how it hurts. But in a year or so, you WILL have learned some powerful lessons that you will need to be a strong parent and role model for your kids.

So. Having been on the pointy end of this, would I go back and say they’d hurt me or ask why? No. Would I ask my husband to ask? No.
What would anything they have to say change? Their behaviour speaks for itself. Now that you know about it, what else can they do or say - what they’ve done is horrible and excluding and there’s no dressing it up? If they were kind people, they wouldn’t have done this or they’d have spoken to you in the past. Part of what you are feeling is the shock that you’ve seen who they are and they aren’t who you thought. Some things cannot be unseen and the loss of what you thought you had takes time to process. Maybe at some point your husband could TELL them that HE’s very unhappy with their conduct towards you when it inevitably comes up at some future point. But I wouldn’t be asking - because what possible excuse do they have!!!? Nor would I be giving them the opportunity to BS me - which they absolutely will do. Also, for me, at this point an apology is meaningless because it’s not a one off slip up, but a WHOLE YEAR of consistent choices and ignoring you on what’sapp. Shameful.

As many have said, withdrawing was the best thing I did. It wasn’t petulance. It was for my peace. Am I rude if I bump into them? Well, I do try and avoid them but if I absolutely have no other option, I am polite, but distanced. I am however not available for them in any meaningful level any more now they’ve shown me who they are and having slighted me in similar ways to those you describe whilst I haven’t called it out, I am absolutely not going to pretend they have any access to me at all. In my view, I was completely open in my friendship and to find out theirs was a pretence - well, it was a deception. Once I hit over the hurt, I was offended and now I think it’s laughable. I’m a bloody good friend and person and frankly they didn’t know a good thing when they had one. Even at the time, when I finally copped on to their BS, I said “they’ll need me before I need them.” And this is definitely true for you, OP.

There is absolutely zero chance I’d do another bloody thing for your MIL if I were you. To be so underhand about these meetings but to cosy up to me to get me to do stuff for her..? Fair enough if people don’t like me, but a) to PRETEND? And b) to ask for favours whilst cutting me out of the fun? I don’t think so. You will look back and the embarrassment will fade and you will realise that they are the ones who should be mortified. And probably will be to have been caught out rather than their actual poor, cliquey mean-girl behaviour. These types of women (not all women, but always these types of women) always hunt in packs. No thanks. Mine was painful, but I don’t miss something that wasn’t real. I am really now much happier living in the light now. I’m not even mad about it any more. Instead of me feeling weak and embarrassed at having been dropped, I feel set free. And so will you. The people who did this to me didn’t deserve me. And nor does your MIL. In time, you will know this to be true instead of feeling shame and humiliation and the pain of rejection. You need to give yourself time to heal and be vigilant about your boundaries with them henceforth. Husband needs to follow YOUR lead. Nice that he’s steaming and wanting to go into bat for you though - refreshing to read about that on here.
Be kind to yourself, OP.

ScribblingPixie · 22/02/2025 20:39

DH is now strongly pushing for him to say something. He says it needs to be out in the open and delt with and he thinks it will be mentioned on Tuesday by the cafe worker any way. He's saying he wants to ring his mum or one of his brothers. I'm close to letting him.

He should do this but not on your behalf or at your request. He should be asking his mother why she's being so unkind to his wife. He's entitled to be annoyed and want it out in the open - it's his family who are behaving badly.

ScribblingPixie · 22/02/2025 20:40

IlooklikeNigella · 22/02/2025 20:20

That is utterly bizarre and no matter what way it began I can't believe it hasn't occurred to any of them to include you.

I don't like game playing either so I'm with your DH.

I would let him speak to his mother, explain what the cafe worker said and that you are now confused and hurt. Then when she or they broach it with you I would be entirely honest and say "I feel very hurt and confused". Not angry, sarcastic or accusatory as that will give them an opportunity to paint you as the bad guy. If an invitation is extended say "I would have loved to be included before this happened. Now I'd honestly just feel awkward and unwanted. It's a shame but I can't pretend otherwise."

This is exactly right.

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