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to think more negative effects will come out from Ozempic use?

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nameey · 22/02/2025 11:12

Just read that the 30 year old singer Avery has been diagnosed with osteoporosis due to Ozempic use. Looks like this could be the start of many conditions coming out.

I know Ozempic is incredibly helpful for a lot of people but losing weight but then having osteoporosis does not seem worth it.

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OP posts:
SwingTheMonkey · 24/02/2025 11:33

Twiglets1 · 24/02/2025 11:29

Fair enough I respect your opinion but my feeling is that it’s too easy at the moment for people to lie, present false information etc

How do you know what the process involves? When was the last time you attempted to buy WLI online?

Twiglets1 · 24/02/2025 11:34

SilenceInside · 24/02/2025 11:30

Thankfully any further changes to guidelines won't be based on any one individual's feelings, without evidence and without considering what is a proportionate response to that evidence.

No of course not, any changes to the current model will be based on a lot of research and evidence not on my feelings or your feelings or any one person.

Twiglets1 · 24/02/2025 11:37

SwingTheMonkey · 24/02/2025 11:33

How do you know what the process involves? When was the last time you attempted to buy WLI online?

I’m not discussing personal medical information with you.

SwingTheMonkey · 24/02/2025 11:42

Twiglets1 · 24/02/2025 11:37

I’m not discussing personal medical information with you.

The truth is, you haven’t actually got a clue what the process is, have you? You’ve got no idea how difficult (or not) it is to obtain a prescription for a WLI.

Twiglets1 · 24/02/2025 11:54

SwingTheMonkey · 24/02/2025 11:42

The truth is, you haven’t actually got a clue what the process is, have you? You’ve got no idea how difficult (or not) it is to obtain a prescription for a WLI.

I actually mentioned on page 3 of this thread that I had tried Ozempic so obviously I do have some idea of how hard or rather how easy it was to get a prescription from a private pharmacy.

You're not making yourself look very good with the way you talk to people.

SwingTheMonkey · 24/02/2025 11:57

Twiglets1 · 24/02/2025 11:54

I actually mentioned on page 3 of this thread that I had tried Ozempic so obviously I do have some idea of how hard or rather how easy it was to get a prescription from a private pharmacy.

You're not making yourself look very good with the way you talk to people.

No, I mean recently. Since the prescribing rules were changed.

You aren’t making yourself look good by saying you think the process of obtaining WLI is too easy, when in fact, you don’t have any idea what the process involves.

Arraminta · 24/02/2025 12:02

Twiglets1 · 24/02/2025 11:31

It’s not just people being sharp with me though is it? It’s people being sharp with OP, with the pharmacist that could have contributed a lot to the discussion if they weren’t shut down and @Mrsredlipstick who is now begging people to stop berating her.

I don't think 'the pharmacist' was contributing anything to the conversation which made me confident that they actually knew what they were talking about?

Twiglets1 · 24/02/2025 12:05

SwingTheMonkey · 24/02/2025 11:57

No, I mean recently. Since the prescribing rules were changed.

You aren’t making yourself look good by saying you think the process of obtaining WLI is too easy, when in fact, you don’t have any idea what the process involves.

As I said before I'm not discussing personal information with you, beyond what I already mentioned early on in the thread.

I'm allowed to have an opinion without being attacked & lots of people on this thread have commented that people do get prescribed weight loss drugs who shouldn't be. Even people in support of the current model have made the observation that some people lie to get them so hardly an unusual point of view.

KrankyKumquat · 24/02/2025 12:05

Wow, this is a whole new level of hysteria about these medications.

What we do know is that the vast majority of people legitimately prescribed WLIs use them as prescribed, by reputable, professional and ethical pharmacies either online or in person, with very few if any side effects (and most of these are mild gastrointestinal ones like constipation or diarrhea which can be easily sorted with otc medications). Yes, like most medications, there are some contraindications and, sadly, a very, very small number of people will develop more serious complications from using them. Many of these people would have developed these if they'd lost significant weight in the traditional way (eg gallstones and pancreatitis). And yes, like laxatives, water tablets and certain cough remedies, WLI, obtained illegally, can be misused by people with eating disorders or who don't meet the current BMI restrictions (but at least you can't get them from the counter in Tesco's, eh?).

The prescribing guidelines are strict and pharmacies are falling over themselves to find ways to further tighten their procedures to lock out misusers and to safeguard their patients. My own uses videos consultations. It's in their business interests to do so, they'll soon get shut down if they prescribe irresponsibly.

Yet it's not enough apparently. Some people, who have shown here they actually know very little about how the current set-up actually works, want users to pay for in-person consults with Boots or Bupa or wherever - I'm sure companies like these are salivating every time there's another misinformed scare story in the Daily Mail.

Honestly, you'd think we were discussing synthetic heroin or barbiturates or DIY chemotherapy or something. Christ, you don't even need a doctor's appointment to get the morning after pill or Viagra now. So why are some people so determined to make life even more difficult than it already is for obese people (just to protect someone who shouldn't be taking the drug anyway? Really? I call BS)

Arraminta · 24/02/2025 12:10

Twiglets1 · 24/02/2025 11:27

Why shouldn’t they rent spaces to see people in person if there is a good profit in it for them? That’s how many businesses work though it may take government intervention to tighten up the regulations further around prescribing these drugs only for the people who meet the criteria.

So, where will all these thousands and thousands of retail units suddenly appear from? Because they would need to be suitable for purpose, in suitable locations in areas that are convenient for both the pharmacy staff and patients. Parking would be a consideration as would proximity to other local pharmacies (I recall that you can only have a certain number of pharmacies in the locale?).

And where would all the thousands and thousands of trained and qualified pharmacy staff suddenly appear from?

Have you ever considered trying critical thinking or critical analysis when approaching a problem? Just wittering about how it makes you 'feelz' is pointless.

SwingTheMonkey · 24/02/2025 12:10

Twiglets1 · 24/02/2025 12:05

As I said before I'm not discussing personal information with you, beyond what I already mentioned early on in the thread.

I'm allowed to have an opinion without being attacked & lots of people on this thread have commented that people do get prescribed weight loss drugs who shouldn't be. Even people in support of the current model have made the observation that some people lie to get them so hardly an unusual point of view.

@KrankyKumquat has made a brilliant response to your post. I can’t add anything more to it.

And you’re not being ‘attacked’. You’re being picked up on for asserting something is the case when actually, you’ve no experience or knowledge of it. That’s a pretty silly thing to so when you’re attempting to debate something.

Twiglets1 · 24/02/2025 12:10

Arraminta · 24/02/2025 12:02

I don't think 'the pharmacist' was contributing anything to the conversation which made me confident that they actually knew what they were talking about?

As a pharmacist she will have undergone extensive training so probably does in fact know more about these drugs than the rest of us but you think you know more than a pharmacist so ok.

Arraminta · 24/02/2025 12:14

Twiglets1 · 24/02/2025 12:10

As a pharmacist she will have undergone extensive training so probably does in fact know more about these drugs than the rest of us but you think you know more than a pharmacist so ok.

In which case, why did she sound like she knew next to nothing about WLI and the procedures surrounding them?

Typically when someone has a professional qualification you can tell they know exactly what they're talking about.

KrankyKumquat · 24/02/2025 12:18

@Arraminta
Some months ago, I got into a debate with another 'pharmacist' on one of these threads. Turned out they thought WLIs contained insulin and we were causing the deaths of T1Ds who couldn't get their meds. I did ask where she worked so I could avoid them but strangely, she just exited the conversation.

Twiglets1 · 24/02/2025 12:19

KrankyKumquat · 24/02/2025 12:05

Wow, this is a whole new level of hysteria about these medications.

What we do know is that the vast majority of people legitimately prescribed WLIs use them as prescribed, by reputable, professional and ethical pharmacies either online or in person, with very few if any side effects (and most of these are mild gastrointestinal ones like constipation or diarrhea which can be easily sorted with otc medications). Yes, like most medications, there are some contraindications and, sadly, a very, very small number of people will develop more serious complications from using them. Many of these people would have developed these if they'd lost significant weight in the traditional way (eg gallstones and pancreatitis). And yes, like laxatives, water tablets and certain cough remedies, WLI, obtained illegally, can be misused by people with eating disorders or who don't meet the current BMI restrictions (but at least you can't get them from the counter in Tesco's, eh?).

The prescribing guidelines are strict and pharmacies are falling over themselves to find ways to further tighten their procedures to lock out misusers and to safeguard their patients. My own uses videos consultations. It's in their business interests to do so, they'll soon get shut down if they prescribe irresponsibly.

Yet it's not enough apparently. Some people, who have shown here they actually know very little about how the current set-up actually works, want users to pay for in-person consults with Boots or Bupa or wherever - I'm sure companies like these are salivating every time there's another misinformed scare story in the Daily Mail.

Honestly, you'd think we were discussing synthetic heroin or barbiturates or DIY chemotherapy or something. Christ, you don't even need a doctor's appointment to get the morning after pill or Viagra now. So why are some people so determined to make life even more difficult than it already is for obese people (just to protect someone who shouldn't be taking the drug anyway? Really? I call BS)

I respect your opinion but I don't think the morning after pill or viagra has the same potentially serious side effects for people using them who don't actually need them.

I'm not by the way suggesting that the customers would have to pay more for in person consultations, more that the private prescribers could offer it for the initial consultation seeing as they are making an awful lot of money from selling these drugs. Maybe it would be more ethnical if they knew they were prescribing it only to people who met the criteria? Definitely don't want to make things harder for obese people for no good reason.

SwingTheMonkey · 24/02/2025 12:20

Pages and pages of concern over a tiny number of people prescribed WLI by a legitimate pharmacy, when they didn’t meet criteria. Pages of how it should be more difficult to legitimately obtain the drug - thus pricing lots of people out if the drug price increases to meet costs of prescribing in person.
But not one person concerned about the large number of people obtaining ‘WLI’ from Sally on Facebook marketplace. Buying and injecting god knows what.
But it’s the legitimate users that apparently should be targeted - odd that…

Arraminta · 24/02/2025 12:21

KrankyKumquat · 24/02/2025 12:05

Wow, this is a whole new level of hysteria about these medications.

What we do know is that the vast majority of people legitimately prescribed WLIs use them as prescribed, by reputable, professional and ethical pharmacies either online or in person, with very few if any side effects (and most of these are mild gastrointestinal ones like constipation or diarrhea which can be easily sorted with otc medications). Yes, like most medications, there are some contraindications and, sadly, a very, very small number of people will develop more serious complications from using them. Many of these people would have developed these if they'd lost significant weight in the traditional way (eg gallstones and pancreatitis). And yes, like laxatives, water tablets and certain cough remedies, WLI, obtained illegally, can be misused by people with eating disorders or who don't meet the current BMI restrictions (but at least you can't get them from the counter in Tesco's, eh?).

The prescribing guidelines are strict and pharmacies are falling over themselves to find ways to further tighten their procedures to lock out misusers and to safeguard their patients. My own uses videos consultations. It's in their business interests to do so, they'll soon get shut down if they prescribe irresponsibly.

Yet it's not enough apparently. Some people, who have shown here they actually know very little about how the current set-up actually works, want users to pay for in-person consults with Boots or Bupa or wherever - I'm sure companies like these are salivating every time there's another misinformed scare story in the Daily Mail.

Honestly, you'd think we were discussing synthetic heroin or barbiturates or DIY chemotherapy or something. Christ, you don't even need a doctor's appointment to get the morning after pill or Viagra now. So why are some people so determined to make life even more difficult than it already is for obese people (just to protect someone who shouldn't be taking the drug anyway? Really? I call BS)

Oh please, let's stop with the sensible, measured response, thank you Madam.

It's much more fun watching people struggling to articulate and debate on a subject they don't appear to know anything about.

But like me wandering into a conference of cardiologists and giving them the benefit of my zero knowledge of heart function.

Twiglets1 · 24/02/2025 12:21

SwingTheMonkey · 24/02/2025 12:20

Pages and pages of concern over a tiny number of people prescribed WLI by a legitimate pharmacy, when they didn’t meet criteria. Pages of how it should be more difficult to legitimately obtain the drug - thus pricing lots of people out if the drug price increases to meet costs of prescribing in person.
But not one person concerned about the large number of people obtaining ‘WLI’ from Sally on Facebook marketplace. Buying and injecting god knows what.
But it’s the legitimate users that apparently should be targeted - odd that…

I'm even more concerned about people obtaining drugs from Facebook marketplace and would say so if there was a thread about that.

SwingTheMonkey · 24/02/2025 12:23

I'm not by the way suggesting that the customers would have to pay more for in person consultations, more that the private prescribers could offer it for the initial consultation seeing as they are making an awful lot of money from selling these drugs.

Yes, I can see companies using their profit to provide staff and spaces for in person consultations, rather than passing the cost on via the drug… 🤦🏻‍♀️

Jesus 😂

nameey · 24/02/2025 12:24

Twiglets1 · 24/02/2025 11:31

It’s not just people being sharp with me though is it? It’s people being sharp with OP, with the pharmacist that could have contributed a lot to the discussion if they weren’t shut down and @Mrsredlipstick who is now begging people to stop berating her.

@Twiglets1 It seems impossible here to have a discussion about the potential side effects of WLI because of the people who are taking them who are so adamant in their views. Any discussion is shut down and the accusations start - saying people are jealous and spiteful and want overweight people taking them to die. None of which are true.

OP posts:
Twiglets1 · 24/02/2025 12:31

SwingTheMonkey · 24/02/2025 12:23

I'm not by the way suggesting that the customers would have to pay more for in person consultations, more that the private prescribers could offer it for the initial consultation seeing as they are making an awful lot of money from selling these drugs.

Yes, I can see companies using their profit to provide staff and spaces for in person consultations, rather than passing the cost on via the drug… 🤦🏻‍♀️

Jesus 😂

That’s who it would need government intervention. Much like with the way prescribing rules were tightened up.

SwingTheMonkey · 24/02/2025 12:33

Twiglets1 · 24/02/2025 12:31

That’s who it would need government intervention. Much like with the way prescribing rules were tightened up.

So you think the government could force the pharmacies into providing the facilities and staff for in person consultations, from their own pocket?!

Glorybox2025 · 24/02/2025 12:35

Twiglets1 · 24/02/2025 11:54

I actually mentioned on page 3 of this thread that I had tried Ozempic so obviously I do have some idea of how hard or rather how easy it was to get a prescription from a private pharmacy.

You're not making yourself look very good with the way you talk to people.

Ozempic? That must have been about 2 years ago!!

crankytoes · 24/02/2025 12:36

Matrixremooted · 22/02/2025 11:54

I agree to an extent OP and it will be interesting to see what the data says over the next few years, but those who are taking WLI do not want to hear anything negative at all about them. As far as they’re concerned they are the golden panacea for their weight issues.

In reality what is coming out are more and more unexpected positive outcomes unrelated to weight loss.

Twiglets1 · 24/02/2025 12:37

nameey · 24/02/2025 12:24

@Twiglets1 It seems impossible here to have a discussion about the potential side effects of WLI because of the people who are taking them who are so adamant in their views. Any discussion is shut down and the accusations start - saying people are jealous and spiteful and want overweight people taking them to die. None of which are true.

Absolutely agree, it’s too triggering for some people so normal debate goes out the window.

Going to take the dog out for a walk in the fresh air now & leaving my mobile behind! 😀