to think more negative effects will come out from Ozempic use?

[nameey]

Just read that the 30 year old singer Avery has been diagnosed with osteoporosis due to Ozempic use. Looks like this could be the start of many conditions coming out.

I know Ozempic is incredibly helpful for a lot of people but losing weight but then having osteoporosis does not seem worth it.

AIBU?

I agree with all of your points but I also think that people think the regaining of weight (followed by a gleeful ‘and loads more on top!’) is unique to WLI. Like as soon as you come off the jabs, you’ll blow up like a balloon.

@SwingTheMonkey do you mean that's the case (that weight regain is more likely with WLI than traditional diets)? Or do you mean there's a misperception there and the regain is true no matter what someone tries?

My experience - as many like me who have dieted repeatedly and always regained - is that weight maintenance is extremely hard, perhaps even close to impossible (though I never say never) for those who have gained weight in the first place.

This is clearer now I think with WLI - since I started taking MJ I've realised how thin people feel all the time: food is simply not such an issue for them.

Not discipline.
Not supreme hard working effort.
Just hormones and bodily differences.

This means I follow with interest any efforts at weight gain prevention particularly for kids (that should be where all societal efforts are put)
I also follow with interest hope and curiosity all evolving knowledge and information on WLI for maintenance (eg pills now being in development for maintenance)

For overweight and obese people these drugs are life changing and all the (mostly minor) side effects are IMO more than worth it. I have felt incredibly lucky that they exist.

No, I mean there’s a misconception that regaining is specific to WLI. It’s come from the media, I think.

Reflecting on the research I did prior to starting wegovy I think the majority took the WLJ for six months. They were then keen to taper off. Fat doesn't make you stupid (however many people believe this). On the WLJ threads people were keen to carry on their journeys having reduced their body weight by about a stone a month and then they were hitting the gym etc.
I've lost over six stone, part naturally and with a few weeks on Wegovy. The effects don't leave for quite some time. Some good, some bad.
The cost and the risks make most sensible people want to taper when they are at a normal weight.

Diabetics do take Semiglutinade ( WLJ sister wegovy ) continually but the amount is tiny. Both my T2 friends have been on it four years.

@SwingTheMonkey "No, I mean there’s a misconception that regaining is specific to WLI. It’s come from the media, I think."

Got you. Agree. This is one more version of the "faux concern / oh you poor people / don't take those evil drugs" attempts by thin people in order to keep overweight people in their place.

No dig intended.

@Tulipsandaffodils as an ex 20 stoner I don't have any inclination to insult obese people.
Wegovy is licenced for two years use only.

I mean private pharmacies not the NHS.

And they could see patients from private clinics plus some of the prescribers are organisations with multiple outlets like Boots, Asda etc.

Just like 'ozempic face'. It's media click bait bollocks.

Only per NICE guidelines via the NHS. Privately prescribed it doesn't have a limit.

A few pharmacies offer in person consultations in their high street locations but most pharmacies operate entirely online. As I asked you before - where should I go for my in person consultation with my online provider?

Please don't continue to berate me.
I'm not here to insult people.
You are trying to twist my words.
Fwiw I live with a medic and I know quite a lot about drugs having worked for big pharma.
I shan't be in gaging with you again.

This poster is quite delusional! Can you imagine the increase in cost of the medication if pharmacies had to rent spaces to see patients in person! All because a small number of people manage to obtain the drug illegally. Where is the accountability?
And you know those people who currently obtain it from legitimate sources whilst not fulfilling the prescription criteria will just get it from the black market if they can not longer get a prescription.

There’s a debate to be had about how these drugs could be prescribed in an ethical way to stop people misusing them, people with eating disorders for example. It may be that new clinics dedicated to helping with weight loss would open up to meet the demand. And I don’t agree there will be millions of consultations, I think you’re exaggerating the numbers who would be seeking face to face consultations if it was made clear that only people with a clinical need would be prescribed weight loss drugs.

But I’m not interested in having a debate like that with you because you are very sharp in your responses to people and seem determined to shut down any debate by insulting people.

It is clear that only people meeting the prescribing criteria will be prescribed. That's why people know that they have to lie, defraud and present false information in order to try to get a prescription if they don't meet those requirements.

I think that the current model is adequate, and individual pharmacies that don't comply with the guidelines will be inspected and sanctioned, with an improvement plan and follow up inspection. I think requiring more than that, because these medications are highly newsworthy and incite strong responses from people who aren't taking them and don't need them, is an unnecessary overreaction.

Why shouldn’t they rent spaces to see people in person if there is a good profit in it for them? That’s how many businesses work though it may take government intervention to tighten up the regulations further around prescribing these drugs only for the people who meet the criteria.

You've made a lot of assumptions, based on a statement of fact (from various recent clinical trials; I am sure more data will come in over time).

It has been shown that once off the WLI, people put back on roughly 2/3rds of their weight - or more. Which rather suggests that most people will need to stay on the injections for life (whatever the longterm health ramifications might be for that - also unknown as this is a mass experiment on a global scale, really).

I am not thin, and yet I do not relate to what you describe as "the level of cravings and intense hunger OW people deal with everyday".

I am certaintly not suggesting you, or I, or anyone else attempting to lose and stabilise their weight should just "not try". But I prefer to lose weight, even if I don't always keep it off, and have to relose, without risking gastrointestinal distress in the short-term, or long-term gastrointestinal tract damage.

Obviously, if I was morbidly obese, I might think differently about the risks vs benefits.

People are sharp with you because your ideas are ridiculous and you just don’t seem to be able to understand what people are telling you.

If the NHS are unable to staff the roll out of this medication to include in person support, why would private pharmacies? Where would all these staff members come from who were trained to issue prescriptions? How would that affect the cost of the (already very expensive) drug? How long would it take and how many people would die from obesity related diseases whilst this was all put into place?

I don’t understand why you think it should be made far more difficult to obtain legitimately and at the same time price people out, all for the small number of people abusing the drug. Those of which who will just buy it on the black market if they can’t get a prescription, anyway.

Fair enough I respect your opinion but my feeling is that it’s too easy at the moment for people to lie, present false information etc

Thankfully any further changes to guidelines won't be based on any one individual's feelings, without evidence and without considering what is a proportionate response to that evidence.

It’s not just people being sharp with me though is it? It’s people being sharp with OP, with the pharmacist that could have contributed a lot to the discussion if they weren’t shut down and @Mrsredlipstick who is now begging people to stop berating her.