to think more negative effects will come out from Ozempic use?

[nameey]

Just read that the 30 year old singer Avery has been diagnosed with osteoporosis due to Ozempic use. Looks like this could be the start of many conditions coming out.

I know Ozempic is incredibly helpful for a lot of people but losing weight but then having osteoporosis does not seem worth it.

AIBU?

She could just be busy like I have been, it’s ok to make a point and then return to a thread when you’re free again. It’s not like posting on Mumsnet is our jobs.

@Twiglets1
Ok, yes, could be. Unusual/odd to open a discussion in that way, full of drama, though and then just pop off and do something else but we'll see.
I'm done though, off to the pub. Bye xxx

"the psychology of why we eat too much is relevant to any debate about weight problems"

Is it, really? I think it's quite well understood. We live in an environment where you can easily get calorie dense food at all times of the day and night. Our environment is also not conducive to an active lifestyle. A few less than ideal choices made consistently over time results in being overweight and eventually being obese. Then you can add in the cycle of diet-regain that many obese people have been on which further messes with your ability to make better choices around food. And so it goes on.

Well I think it is personally. Because I know I snack when I’m not even hungry and use food for comfort/because I’m bored/ because I’m upset and all sorts of other reasons unconnected to hunger. And I don’t think I’m alone in that because friends say the same and none of us quite know why we do it 🤷🏼‍♀️

As I said, a few less than ideal choices repeated over time. The reasons for those less than ideal choices will vary. If analysing the psychology of it was helpful it would be a well known and effective approach to weight loss. Taking Mounjaro has shown me that a large part of it is physical, not psychological.

I think for some people it is useful to consider the psychological reasons they turn to food for comfort etc whereas for others it isn’t as we’re all different.

So many people on this thread have been describing their experience of feeling a gnawing constant hunger and a difficulty in being satiated, eg feeling hungry very quickly after a meal, thinking of food constantly etc.

That's very very different to your experience of "snacking even though not hungry". Do you believe they are not describing their experience accurately?

How would you feel if you felt that constant hunger and cravings?

The lesson MJ has taught me is that when thin people say they "make an effort to maintain their weight" (and overweight people don't") they don't know what they're talking about. I now find it completely doable to follow the healthy balanced meal plans I always was able to make (but never followed). I'm able because my hunger is under control. It's a revelation really.

Makes me think it's quite similar to addiction actually and the physical changes that over time happen within the body with that.

Just to add. I had a similar (though less intense) experience of not being hungry in an unmanageable way and losing weight easily.. that was when I followed a very very strict low carb diet for a year. No sugar for a year and a half. Not at all (no exceptions).

I maintained that for 2.5 years but gradually all the weight and all came back on. I was never obese by the way, only ever overweight but with other serious effects on my health and of course to my self confidence.

I feel tremendous relief that I've found a meaningful, manageable way out of that up to dieting and misery of having to avoid ALL carbs or else deal with an unmanageable hunger:

I suggest some curiosity, and interest in others people experiences before making pronouncements or saying what you would and wouldn't do. All of us that got here have had years or issues behind us. I was recommended WLI by not 1 but 3 doctors, and knowing full well the side effects as with all medications, I went in with my eyes open and so far have found the experience incredibly eye opening.

I believe they are describing their feelings accurately but not everyone who uses weight loss drugs experiences the same things.

I was a previous user of Ozempic for weight loss and a friend is currently using Mounjaro and neither of us feel a constant hunger though I appreciate some people do.

Just for the record @stilllovingmysleep I’m not a slim person and do have constant cravings for unhealthy food. I can completely understand why people turn to weight loss drugs. But still do think (to return to the question of this AIBU) that more negative effects may come out in future, as well as more positive uses for these drugs.

As you say both negative and/or positive effects in future may come of these and other drugs.

I follow the science around these drugs (and others that affect my family) with interest.

What's your point?

This is true but I think once someone ends up, like me, morbidly obese, there are physiological changes as well.

My point about what?

@JacquesHarlow is obviously still busy.

According to her history, she's never engaged in discussions with users of WLIs and certainly never been silenced or bullied by obese people on MN who refuse to accept that they need to learn to live with being hungry and stop being greedy. In fact, her only weight related interaction was to put a laughing emoji on a post asking advice about buying plus sized tights and then, quelle surprise, disappear when challenged. Nice.

It’s almost as if people come onto threads like this, just to be nasty?

No, no, ignore me - that clearly doesn’t happen…

@SwingTheMonkey
Yes, stop it.

She was probably so traumatised by her previous experiences, she's had to change her user name to protect herself from the nasty fat women, and the laughing emoji was just an innocent slip of the finger. It's easy done.

Absolutely this