Scared of what labour will do

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Is anyone else terrified of what labour will enforce. The tax on farmers. Will they means test pip? Will they tax state pension more? What else will they do and where will it all end. They ruthlessly without no care took away the winter fuel allowance. Means testing and taxing state pension would massively impact my family

Seriously OP. Do you not remember what the Tories did? They have decimated the NHS, education, social care, local services.
Of course some people only care about themselves but Labour at least think about the vulnerable in society.

So you weren’t ever worried about the Tories?🤔

Absolutely, that's who should be targeted, not those working

I have questions.
Why do posters always do this? What has the last 14 years got to do with how the OP feels right now?
Why are people's fears minimised like this because it's Labour making the cuts?
Would you brush the cuts to WFP and hints of benefits Reform if it was the Tories making them?
Why is 'the Tories were worse' used over and over again on MN to shut down debate on what a hash Labour have made so far?
A wider question: When will Labour supporters own the mistakes their party has made instead of blaming to Tories for everything that's going wrong?
Yet happy to pat themselves on the back for any positives, even though it's really got little to do with their competence? I am thinking of the increased NHS appointments here.
Anyone got any answers?

So still can’t link this with Russian propaganda.
I am glad you are doing well even when families like us have been bled to the point of leaving next year.

Apologies OAPs used to have a different personal allowance:

Pensioners used to enjoy a higher tax-free allowance than the rest of the population (though the Conservatives’ statement makes no mention of this). The higher allowance for pensioners ended under the Coalition government. Back in 2010–11, the personal allowance was £6,475 for people aged under 65, compared with £9,490 for those aged 65 to 75 (and £9,640 for people 75+). In real, inflation-adjusted terms, the current personal allowance for pensioners is about 10% lower than the one they enjoyed then, whereas the allowance for working-age people is 30% higher, even after recent freezes.

From this document :

ifs.org.uk/articles/new-triple-locked-personal-allowance-pensioners

£2 bus fares helped everyone tho and their inheritance rules were fairer, Labour are running farming thereby eating into the ground 🤦🏽‍♀️

What's needed is a government and particularly a chancellor who can set out a clear plan and then start to get traction very quickly. Unfortunately we have someone who seems to believe a plan simply constitutes really, really wanting growth to happen and that she can manifest this by saying "growth" a lot, all while enacting policies which are anti-growth.

We never recovered from the 08 crash! Growth is very difficult in our economic landscape, let's hear your ideas @indigovapour ?

Here for the Tory/Russian bot bingo. Didn't take long for a full house.

The only people starting threads about school fees were wealthy people privately educating their children. It’s a forum not a place to post diatribes workout response. If you don’t want the 94% not privately educating their kids to comment don’t put up endless threads and don’t put them in AIBU.

They also brought private schools VAT two terms forward than they promised just to raise inflation and put a number of children and their families in distress by forcing some to leave school mid year.

Yes, that was literally their only motivation 🙄

Do enlighten us with what being bled actually means.

There's a lot of ways farmers can get around the inheritance tax, it mainly exists to stop wealthy people buying up land as a tax dodge. No I'm not worried I still think the Tories were much much worse.

Well they have not clue. Now people who paid for the private schools VAT would also pay more for the consequences of inflation. As well as the rest of the population.

Don’t think the massive Tory Brexit screw up helped farming.

Why do posters always do this? What has the last 14 years got to do with how the OP feels right now?

@Katypp the past matters. Austerity & QE kicked the can down the road but we have now run out of road which is the problem. I'm
not saying Labour are doing everything right but you can't compare months to years. People overlook immigration figures under Tories, overlook the increased taxes which confuses me.

Pedantic fool who add nothing here.

@Katypp " When will Labour supporters own the mistakes their party has made instead of blaming to Tories for everything that's going wrong?"
I'm happy to. The problem is I suspect that what you think of as mistakes I probably won't. But try me.

Incidentally-when will Tory supporters own the screw ups they've made over the past 14 years rather than blaming Labour-who have only been in power for 8 months?

@dottiehens I don't see an issue with VAT private school but I understand it's stressful if you can no longer afford it.

Oh you mean I’m disagreeing and asking for clarification? Don’t think I’m alone in wondering what being bled means.

Yes must be stressful but then you’re simply hoping the other 94% of the population. 🤷‍♀️

Do they? Always? I would argue that refusing to reverse the two child benefit cap means they don’t think about the most vulnerable in our society. Children living in poverty. And taking away the winter fuel allowance for pensioners. Surely those people are the most vulnerable 😞

@ploppydoppy of course it wasn't their intention but it was the effect their measures had and it was entirely predictable.

I won't bother engaging with your juvenile "yeah, you do it then" but in a way this is my point - we'd actually be better off if they'd done nothing because their changes are actively bad ones.

I'll give you one example though - I'd have put a penny on the basic rate of income tax rather than increasing the NI tax on jobs. Everyone would have then paid a bit (including pensioners importantly) and it wouldn't have caused anyone to have to pay with their entire job as the NI changes unfortunately will.

This was clearly the better answer and the only reason they didn't do it was because of their daft election promise (which in reality they broke anyway). Country before party they said - bullshit.

What I can’t afford is to pay for 60 percent of the population.

Yes must be stressful but then you’re simply hoping the other 94% of the population

I don't even know what this means & Im not interested in a debate on private school VAT, it's irrelevant to the majority.