Scared of what labour will do

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Is anyone else terrified of what labour will enforce. The tax on farmers. Will they means test pip? Will they tax state pension more? What else will they do and where will it all end. They ruthlessly without no care took away the winter fuel allowance. Means testing and taxing state pension would massively impact my family

Yes. They are always in their own Group Think. 🤷‍♀️

Given the landslides at some GEs it wouldn't even be that uncommon.

To be honest, if the worst example of wrongdoing you can come up with is Starmer's son staying in the home of a family friend over his GCSEs and staying there (because Covent Garden) for a few weeks afterwards (all declared, BTW!) then either Starmer's pretty clean or you're not digging deep enough!

We know people switch. You’ve had tactical voting explained enough times. I just find it quite difficult to believe one of the most vehement critics of the government on MN ever voted for that party. Like I said, it stretches credulity.

That's a you issue then @blossomtoes

You've built this up in your head unrelated to my voting history.

I'd rather engage with posters who don't do this but I tend to get @ a lot by those who do.

To give an example. Pre GE there were a few policies that I thought off from Labour

Eg nom dom policy. Usual backlash from Labour supporters. Then Reeves does change it.

Mostly it's just economics but people get outraged and hooked on some idea they know a voting history.

Given Starmer is the most right leaning Labour leader there has been in recent times, I would love to know under which Labour leader any current Tory supporter would have voted Labour. Foot? Kinnock? Blair? Milliband? Surely not Corbyn 🤣

No answers? Usually so vocal.

Exactly. If I had to compare Starmer with any former MP of my lifetime it would be Major. They have a huge amount in common. He’s presiding over the most right wing Labour government I’ve ever seen, it’s too far right for my taste but then Corbyn was too far left. I’m just Goldilocks, aren’t I? 😂

Starmer is definitely not more savvy on being the middle ground than Blair.

The latter didn't attack private schools, farmers, the creative sector, 'the rich' including nom doms, pensioners

He was mostly spending from credit and risk exposure

Starmer has kept some policies eg two child benefit, bonuses for bankers, and leant into Reform type stuff with deportation videos, removing citizenship and Gaza ruling

I get Labour means more to some than always voting for the same does to me. I don't have paid state reliance though it's more a concern on damaging the private sector. Doing that to the private sector damages the public one after a while anyway.

I don't know where this obsession that Mumsnet Labour voters always vote Labour comes from. I have voted Lib Dem in the past.

It is very odd. Almost as if posters are trying to convince themselves that current Labour voters on MN are are all fluffy headed idiots who automatically put an X in the Labour box. Perhaps it makes them feel superior to think this.

It’s not even that. It’s the constant assertion that we’re sheep who will blindly approve anything they do, despite plenty of evidence to the contrary. If this government continues on this trajectory and I’m as impressed as I am currently it’s highly likely that I’ll follow my heart and vote Green at the next GE. My vote is meaningless anyway, we still have a Tory MP here albeit with a hugely reduced majority.

I haven't voted enthusiastically for anyone or anything since 1975 when I voted to stay in the Common Market. Most of the time, I vote for the least odious.

I used to think the Tories were marginally more competent on the economy, and Labour closer to my social views. Not much to choose between them right now IMO: do you want a red donkey or a blue donkey?

Same, except it will be Plaid Cymru for me, unless I need to vote tactically to keep the Putin-supporting Muslim-hating lot at bay.

I was a of Conservative in my youth, but living Sweden and S, Africa changed that... very keen on Blair but by the end of his tenure, i was a little less keen.

The Tories, since 2010, are far too rightwing, former Thatcherites booted out or resigned from even being in the party... Brexit did it for me for ever considering them again, they wrecked the UK with combination of stupidity and greed over that.

I did like quite a lot of Corbyn's policies, not all, some where silly & of course he wasn't keen on the EU but who is now a days?

Starmer? meh! bland and appears to lacks conviction but compared to the the last 14 years, head n shoulders above any Tory PM.... can you just imagine how Trump would treat May or Sunak? he'd view Bojo as his own poodle.

Nothing works anymore in this country, including our Military and that down to Austerity and the Tories policies on cut cut cut, hollowing out services, that now will probably never recover.

So i'd disagree with you that the Tories are better on the economy.

I don't have paid state reliance

And of course that makes you far superior to benefit claimants, pensioners and people with children. Nice.

@PandoraSox what you are posting is your thoughts not mine.

Nowhere have I said anything about superiority.

It is obvious those in the private sector will be interested in not damaging that. It's livelihoods after all.

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@pandorasox ah gif time

If you feel like that it's really a you thing. I'd say don't put yourself in that position it's not going to help, I don't even think it's about that.

Damaging the private sector isn't good for those in it but it's also bad for funding the public sector

@Alexandra2001 ... I did say "I used to think".... it has been hard to think so in recent years.

Sorry, missed that.

Yep totally.

Feel like what? I don't know what you mean. Your posts are hard to decipher sometimes.

@PandoraSox what you claim to know but have wrong

The superior line.

That's your thinking, not mine.

You really do give yourself away, I don't think you realise!

Anyway, this is getting a bit personal.

It's quite something when a pp can't debate without resorting to silly teenage gifs.

@PandoraSox you've reacted as you have not due to my thinking. There's no superiority claim.