Scared of what labour will do

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Is anyone else terrified of what labour will enforce. The tax on farmers. Will they means test pip? Will they tax state pension more? What else will they do and where will it all end. They ruthlessly without no care took away the winter fuel allowance. Means testing and taxing state pension would massively impact my family

😂 no, not new here. I just can’t believe that people somehow believe that non-doms were getting subsidised by the state for living here.

Just the VAT on every restaurant bill, beauty/hair appointment, clothes, handbags, cars, holidays etc adds up to an absolute fortune.

Then they need to commute. Or businesses need to start moving out if they can't get staff. The rest of us shouldn't be funding inflated rentals. Housing benefit has fuelled rent rises.

It's not that simple though. I agree that teachers, nurses, train drivers etc should commute because, despite the relentless rhetoric to the contrary, they are well paid.
What about the overnight cleaners, nmw Hotel workers, shop workers etc?

The answer is rent controls, not punishing the less well off. Stop the greedy private landlords profiteering at the expense of the tax payer. That would be good for everyone including people not on benefits but who are also being ripped off.

How would pushing landlords out of the market and reducing the amount of houses to rent help anything?

Then they need to commute. Or businesses need to start moving out if they can't get staff. The rest of us shouldn't be funding inflated rentals. Housing benefit has fuelled rent rises.

But commuting can be extortionate. How can you have no hospitals, schools, shops etc in cities?
There should be a lot more social housing

Well, if you want to break the cycle of poverty and low achievement, then yes, that is desirable.

The alternative is these kids live on benefits and or low wages & so on....

Why would it do that? Sensible, balanced rent ceilings could easily be set so that Landlords can still make a profit without ripping people off.

@EasternStandard no, to that type of poster there will always be rich people (because "rich" simply means anyone with more than them) and they will always be paying too little tax.

Its probably not an unpopular opinion, nationwide, on here yes.

But the reality would be going back to a time when the elderly died in their homes in their 1000s and or we see the elderly begging on the streets OR we reintroduce the poor house, probably better, the feckless can die out of sight then.

Beauticians and hairdressers do not earn enough for vat!

@Fluffypuppy1 and of course they also pay tax on all their uk income just as the rest of us do. It's almost like these posters are financially illiterate but don't want to let that get in their way, isn't it?

It's funny until you remember that these people get to vote.

@Pandora Because every time the BTL market has been tinkered with, it results in many LLs leaving the market.
Rent controls would be a big one, so to assume it would not result in a lot of LLs leaving is naive on the extreme, especially with volatile mortgage rates.
There a lot of assumption about 'greedy landlords' on MN, when it's crystal clear that posters don't have the first idea about the costs involved.

As left wing as i am, i'm not a fan of rent controls, i believe that whats needed is far far more council housing, with not for profit rents, as we used to have.

This would drive down rents in the private sector, as people would have a real alternative.

One way to achieve this is for councils, as Plymouth CC is doing, buying up private rented homes.... the Govt needs to drop their EPC C changes too, these costs are going to either make LLs leave the sector and/or pass costs on to the tenant.
A compromise would be to have the min EPC rating as a D, the costs to go from a E (current minimum) to a C is usually quite small but to get to a C for many properties is very expensive, for a relatively small gain.

A proven rent record should also be proof enough to get a mortgage too.

So what is the solution? Continue as we are and allowing more people to opt out because they know they will be helped anyway?
That's not going to bring the welfare bill down.

I agree with all this.
As right wing as I am (although not in everything), one of the biggest mistakes a Government made was when Thatcher sold off council houses.
There's been plenty of opportunity - both Labour and Conservative- to reverse it since then though.

I agree with you both Katy and Alexandra re: social housing, but oh my god the NIMBYism that occurs when proposals to build new properties are made... There is currently a proposal to build quite a number of new council houses near to where I live. The moaning about it is just unbelievable.

The problem is the number of these people. As others have pointed out higher earners in the UK pay some of the highest taxes for their earnings in the entire world, more than in most European countries.

The difference in the UK is that lower and middle earners pay far, far less than in comparable European countries. Due to the sheer numbers it is mathematically impossible to fund European-standard public services while this remains the case, hence our current predicament.

Eventually the UK population will have to accept this mathematical fact. The choices are either: 1) lower and middle income earners pay significantly higher rates of tax (increases of 7-10%); or 2) public services will have to be scaled back so that many things - healthcare and pensions in particular - are not state funded.

There are no other viable options.

LL leaving would be a great thing! The sooner the better. More affordable housing on the market, more people able to move out of rental leaving more spare and greedy LL unable to have everybody over a barrel with extortionate housing prices with down right unacceptable living conditions.

I like what they’re doing in Wales.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg9y544wx3o.amp

True

I think we'll have to deal with the defence spending and Labour might have to go with cuts. Borrowing is too high already.

'No taxes on working people' pledge re taxes and they can see what hitting businesses / non doms does

There's pitch rolling already on welfare. We'll see if they do it. They have more rope than the opposition would. Some impacted voters will stick with them more despite cuts.

LLs leaving the sector in Plymouth, just led to a huge shortage of rental properties, a 18% increase in rents, evictions and more people in temp accommodation.

A house priced at around £200k in Plymouth is totally unaffordable to someone, even a couple, on a low income.

With a scheme to buy up some properties and keep under local authority control or shared ownership that could be rectified.

Explain how losing thousands of houses without building any more would ease housing pressues exactly.
Specifically the moving out and leaving more spare bit.
Such a silly post

No not a silly post all. More houses for sale reduces prices and enable more to enter home ownership, people moving out of rental frees up stock for those who will never be able to get a mortgage. It also will also mske LL more competitive to attract renters and this better quality rental property. Lower prices will be less cost for councils if they were to take more property under council control. It will also make the state burden as regards housing in old age better if more are living in property with a paid off mortgage.

We also need to really start clamping down on greedy LLs.I don’t think there should be a license system. Any untreated damp, mold, broken or non cost effective heating or over inflated prices then you lose your license.