Scared of what labour will do

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Is anyone else terrified of what labour will enforce. The tax on farmers. Will they means test pip? Will they tax state pension more? What else will they do and where will it all end. They ruthlessly without no care took away the winter fuel allowance. Means testing and taxing state pension would massively impact my family

@Katypp agree with your posts, pretty much all points and this one

I think so far Labour's biggest problem seems to be they have no grasp of unintended consequences.

We'll see how it goes with spending, Labour could do cuts to welfare as pp said and perhaps the same pp will accept that more too.

Of course I am not. I was a darn sight more scared when the Tories were in power and busy undermining democracy.

Hunt cut employee NI, Labour, in order to get elected, said they wouldn't increase taxes etc on working people... therefore that NI cut had to be paid for, either spending cuts or tax rises on people not classed, by them, as working...

So we got employer tax rises, the only alternative would be to reverse these cuts... that would have led to howls of protest, employees demanding higher pay rises and less consumer spending... ie consequences!!

Labour wouldn't have cut employee NI if they had won in 2019.... so your argument wouldn't arise.

Job vacances are down, true but employment is holding up, consumer spend is also up, as is tax receipts..... trouble is, so is borrowing :(

I would rather have much less state provision in general, much less NHS, state schooling etc and much lower taxes eg a 20% capped flat tax./NI for all, no IHT, no stamp duty etc.

So you want a less educated society? private healthcare & lower taxes. No state pension?

It all comes back to personal responsibility though, doesn't it?
No. I would not want people to 'freeze in a tent' but it is fundamentally unfair that people who did the sensible thing and made arrangements by paying a few pounds a week into a workplace pension should have to bail out those who didn't.
I'm not talking about vulnerable people with no pension, I am talking about people who made a decision not to pay into their pension and had the same opportunities to do so.
I'm not interested in whataboutery either or the many reasons people may have chosen to opt out. The fact is they could have paid in and they didn't.
I worked with a woman who, when aito-enrollment cane in, went to the bother of opting out of paying £2 a week ffs!

They might get away with a clamp down more than other parties.

people from all over the world have a right to claim asylum in the UK, have their cases assessed and stay if asylum is grants. The UK prevents people from getting these rights by preventing them from getting here in the first place. If people manage to arrive in the UK - by whatever means - they have EVERY RIGHT to apply for asylum. The government just calls them ‘illegal’ because they hope voters like you are thick enough not to understand the above.

Our country is full - I agree.

We need to assess asylum seekers quickly and promptly remove those with no right to asylum.

We need to stop people taking the piss with endless appeals on crap ground.

We need to deport overseas criminals.

BUT small boat asylum seekers are not illegal in any way.

Housing benefit needs to be looked at again. There are plenty of places in the UK I couldn’t afford to live in as I can’t afford it. Why should my taxes pay for others to do so? If you can’t afford to live in an area without claiming lots in housing benefit you have to move. Plenty of parts of the UK are cheap to live in.

@Goldfishgreen even if you do those things - and not sure how you change appeal situation as how do you overrule a legal right to that?

Not saying I don't think the same as you on that, but how do you change it

Anyway grant rate is high here, even by removing those who get a no which is very costly, it's all massively costly, people will increasingly try and Labour will struggle with that. Their initial pledge isn't working

If you can’t afford to live in an area without claiming lots in housing benefit you have to move. Plenty of parts of the UK are cheap to live in.

But expensive parts of the country eg London need plenty of people with jobs that don't pay enough to enable them to pay rent without help?

I totally get what you mean, we've provided for ourselves, i worked in an industry with good wages and pension provision and paid taxes to support people who either couldn't or wouldn't make better provision for their retirement.

I didn't mind these taxes..... my mum, after her divorce, had 3 kids to provide for, no childcare, no money, father did a runner overseas.... and relied on social security, other tax payers support us all.... she went back to work when my sister was 13, so a child looked after children....not possible now.

The problem is "How do we provide for people who refused to make provision for their old age?"

If we say they get nothing or less than they do now, then of course they will suffer.... its back to the deserving and undeserving poor!

Non-doms don’t pay much in income tax, but spend an absolute fortune whilst in the country so pay way more in VAT.

There really isn't.... average rents outside of London are around £1400 per month... in Plymouth, one of the UKs poorer cities, the average 3 bed rent is £1250 pm.

Why should families be up rooted from social and family connections to live in a run down 1960s tower block in the NW of England.... all you re doing is ensure the kids life prospects will be even worse than they are already.

They'll be avoiding VAT/Claiming back as much as they can....

If nom doms weren't attractive to other countries and us Reeves wouldn't have belatedly realised that's the case.

Hence altering the policy. She was a bit slow on the uptake but changed it in the end.

I honestly do worry. Labour are truly awful. They have no idea how to run a successful company. Not one of them has any experience at all. Reeves is out of her depth. Listening to Phillipson on BBC. Does she want to trash the education system? She clearly has a chip on her shoulder.

I’m far less worried than when, Boris and Co were in power.

Maybe we should go back there. Unpopular opinion, I know.
The problem is, as long as people know they will effectively be bailed our regardless, there's no incentive to take personal responsibility.
To reiterate, I am not talking about vulnerable people who did not have choices around workplace pensions. I am talking about those who actively chose not to pay in.

Claiming back VAT on purchases in the UK was discontinued in Jan 2021.

@Fluffypuppy1 I'm not sure if you're new here, but people really aren't interested in facts surrounding the non-dom discussion. You're just supposed to complain about evil rich people paying zero tax.

@indigovapour It's important they all leave and we have no evil rich people, it will really help us to fund services

Are you sure about that? I think we may have heard more about it!
I think you are talking about the VAT refund scheme for tourists which is an entirely different thing.

Absolutely. All rich people are evil Tories. Therefore we don't need them.

By that logic, families currently living in a 1960s tower block in the NW of England should be given the opportunity to move to a better, higher rent area to improve their children's prospects.
All paid for by the taxpayer of course.

Absolutely. All rich people are evil Tories. Therefore we don't need them.

Pretty much Labour's campaigning. Some slow learning there with the non dom change post GE. They're still working on the rest of the evils funding services.