Scared of what labour will do

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Is anyone else terrified of what labour will enforce. The tax on farmers. Will they means test pip? Will they tax state pension more? What else will they do and where will it all end. They ruthlessly without no care took away the winter fuel allowance. Means testing and taxing state pension would massively impact my family

OswaldCobblepot · Today 14:30

** I don't think it's as simple as that. A lot of older people are put off claiming because of the application process. The forms are very lengthy I believe.

Again, entirely their choice. There is plenty of help available with form filling. CAB, Age UK, myriad local voluntary groups.

@MrsSkylerWhite I agree it was right to take WFA away from some pensioners, I just don't think the bar was set in the right place.

They are. So were the forms I needed to complete to claim tax credits when my marriage disintegrated. There's help and advice available, and also life is tough sometimes. Being old doesn't mean you should have everything handed to you on a plate - for the past 14 years, older people have been a government priority because of their voting trends (and no, not all older people!). Now they're having to take on a bit more of the burden carried by the young for so long. Forms aren't that high a price to pay compared to what young people have had inflicted on them for the past 14 years.

The irony is this post is more Russian propaganda led. Fear the boats? Nooo I don’t. Do you not know that that is a drop in the ocean compared to legal migration. So no I don’t fear illegal migration

I bet you were gutted when the Tories led us out of the EU and made us all poorer!

But the blue passports were worth it.

Maybe don't overthink sensationalist headlines? Most of the press is anti Labour and loves making them look incompetent- which they are not. I don't think there is reason to worry.

Where are you going to next year @dottiehens ?
(no point to question, just incorrigibly nosey 😁)

Honestly, I'm more worried that we have an extremely weak leader who is not at all respected on the world's stage at this point in history.

He's just too weak for today's global politics. He has no presence or bearing and is instantly forgettable. He doesn't even have a strong monarch to back him either.

It's a mess and we are embarrassing on the world stage quite frankly.

Land can be worth a lot more for housing than farming so the value is artificially high on the balance sheet.

It only has housing value on the balance sheet if it has planning permission which isn’t the case with arable land.

I don't agree that Starmer isn't respected on the world stage - he's not the showman some people would like but I feel thats a massive simplification.

I voted Labour because I don't want swagger. I want honesty and tough choices.

You make some great points, objectively from an economical overview. You seem really clued up. I’m being genuine here aswell as there seems a lot of scoffing sarcasm on this site. I am fairly new

Why? If they knew we were not going to give immigrants access illegally they would stop trying. They are grown adults. They know what they are doing. If they want to apply through the legal channels then they can and if they are entitled to be here, then they will be allowed to be here.

You'd rather we let every Tom, Dick and Harry into our country whilst our own british people don't have houses, can't access doctors, no ambulances for emergencies, failing schools for children.

That's just stupid. I mean do you open you wallet every month and let your neighbours help themselves and them not be able to pay your own rent. That is what you are saying.

Nobody said they couldn't apply legally and enter legally.

Oh good. Another post from someone’s username is the Little drummer girl. A book about how a girl gets recruited by Mossad. I will be ok with what is to come. But I’m scared for others. I’m scared for pensioners who needed their fuel allowance to survive. I’m worried for Gaza, as I worry for the vulnerable. Who (mossad) the idf have obliterated. Trump wants to create an American riveria takeover. Maybe that’s why Meghan markle changed the name of her brand. Who wants that association. I feel not just with labour but the world we are on the cusp of something I’ve not seen in my lifetime

You'd rather we let every Tom, Dick and Harry into our country whilst our own british people don't have houses, can't access doctors, no ambulances for emergencies, failing schools for children. That's just stupid. I mean do you open you wallet every month and let your neighbours help themselves and them not be able to pay your own rent. That is what you are saying.

No it isn't what I'm saying. There is a position in between letting everyone in and letting people drown. To say we should just let people drown is disgusting.

It's not the fact he isn't a showman, he just isn't a statesman in the traditional sense. He lacks gravitas and authority. He looks like a harassed Headmaster of a failing comprehensive, not a political heavyweight.

He also doesn't have the Queen to back him up, which is a huge disadvantage. Charles is largely irrelevant to the world stage now.

I’m not sure Trump and Putin are respected on the world stage to be fair.

True colours. For mocking a liar. I’d mock anyone for that. Whatever party they represented

I'm well aware of what depression does to you. Did you read my post. I've got it. I take tablets. How would sitting about unemployed help me. I would be more isolated, more anxious and have more time to ruminate and do my OCD rituals. No far better to have some purpose in life and some company during the day.

If there was no tablets to take then fair enough. Depression can make it difficult to focus on work. However the tablets do work so what is the excuse for not taking them and sitting about on benefits. Doesn't benefit them (unless of course they are just bone idle and don't want to work and the depression is an made up excuse). At some point people need to take responsibility for themselves. Nobody is saying they shouldn't be helped by getting tablets to manage their depression. Ideally they would get therapy but it's expensive privately and the country is on it's knees.

If we left them out to sea then they would stop doing it. Seriously if the UK said anyone found trying to enter illegally does not get entry then they would stop doing it. They only do it because they know the UK is a soft touch and they will get away with it. Imagine the lawless society we would have if everybody just broke the rules and we just let them all do what they wanted. It's not even close to murder. We are not harming them. They are harming themselves by putting themselves into a dangerous position. I mean if I jump off a building it's my own fault if I die because it's dangerous and I know that. If they are entitled to be here they can apply through the correct channels and come live here with my blessing.

Love your comment about Putin though cos yes the UK is just like Putin. We couldn't be further from him if we tried.

This forum isn’t for me. It’s just presumptuous. You are presuming I never feared the tories. I did. You presume I voted brexit. I didn’t!

Dont know dont care.

Putin is feared because he is utterly ruthless. He doesn't need respect but trades on fear which is far more potent.

Trump is feared because he causes chaos. He wants respect but is willing to smash things up because he can't get it any other way ,which makes him dangerously unpredictable.

😂 oh no Britains history is nothing like what Putin does. We never invade other lands. We never went to war under Blair under false pretences and abandoned Afghan's. Nooo. We don’t go marching into other peoples countries. Putin is bad. We are just as bad. We are literally backing Israel to commit genocide. But we are so innocent.

So they apply legally and don't try to sneak in via the back door illegally. Nobody drowns and those that are entitled to be here can live here.

My point is they would soon stop trying to sneak in by illegal ways if they knew it was pointless. They are grown up's. They can apply through the correct channels or yes they can drown if they are stupid enough to do something of their own free will which leads to their death. Isn't that the rule of being an adult. You make choices and you take the consequences.

Have you seen the state of our own country. We cannot afford to be such a mug. We are still a tolerant, leniant country who takes in immigrants legally.

I didn’t say they weren’t feared. I said they weren’t respected.

Big difference.

Are you really saying that living in the UK where we have freedom to do what we want and say what we want is the same as living under someone like Putin.

Okay then.

Reform UK are leading the polls ATM. They have already said one of the first things they will do is reverse the farmer tax to ensure food security for the UK. Labour never think ahead they upped the tax on Non-Doms then seemed so surprised when the most wealthy left the country. They've stacked the decks against LL's when they know the courts are blocked then they'll be saying they can't understand when many LL's sell up and people find themselves homeless because there is not enough temporary accommodation to put 50 percent of renter's in when LL's sell up. Red Ed is insisting all LL's must have EPC C yet home owners don't have to have it. Total madness. They give away the Charges Islands then spend billions every year renting back Diego Garcia. Yet they can't afford to give pensioners WFA. The UK is paying far more for electricity than other countries because of the UK drive to Met Zero. Never mind China carries on producing more and more waste and getting richer as a country because of it. Mad policies for mad Labour.