Scared of what labour will do

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Is anyone else terrified of what labour will enforce. The tax on farmers. Will they means test pip? Will they tax state pension more? What else will they do and where will it all end. They ruthlessly without no care took away the winter fuel allowance. Means testing and taxing state pension would massively impact my family

You have no idea if PIP may be means tested in the future. Where are the sources and facts to back up your statements?

This is hardly restricted to Labour. Boris Johnson was a second rate journalist. George Osborne had a 2:2 history degree etc etc. Politics is weird in that you don't need any experience in the area you're suddenly in control of - I'd say this Cabinet has more experience of their brief than the last lot.

Actually yes we can let them drown

@YouLookFabulousDarlingFabulous your views are disgusting to me, you should be ashamed of yourself.

The Nazis are back and here’s OP worried about higher taxes.

My worry about the Labour Party is that they don’t stand up for human rights as the global political climate shifts.

@YouLookFabulousDarlingFabulous Awful arguments, people with depression often go onto to take their own lives, your solution "Go get a job"

Deliberately allowing people to drown in the channel would be tantamount to murder, you'd have to force them back out to sea and leave them there.... that would be very traumatic for the people you would task to do this, more in line with what Putin would do.

They should be very well supported. They grow our food. What do you suggest instead? Bring everything in from abroad?

No but less whining re the same inheritance tax as everybody else and protection for our rivers alongside appreciation for the financial support they have would be good.

It isn't all or nothing!

Perhaps some acknowledgement that they receive an awful lot of financial support? as an industry, far more than any manufacturing sector... yet all they do is complain.

No one likes paying taxes, they have a very good deal at 20% and 10 years to pay, far better than anyone else gets.

I would have been more scared of another conservative government or reform. Ruined my family, this country etc.

They receive financial support because it’s necessary. Arable farming is a loss making enterprise in this country for most farmers. It can only continue because of subsidies.

And farming is different to other businesses. Any other business worth £2m it would be reasonable to assume decent cash flow. Not ao with farming. Land can be worth a lot more for housing than farming so the value is artificially high on the balance sheet. And you need huge amounts of land and very expensive machinery in order to do it.

But more importantly we will lose the skill set of farming if farms are sold to pay inheritance tax. Fine when we can import things easily and relatively cheaply but what if that isn’t always the case? This is why taxing them differently makes sense. Farms tend to passed down generation to generation. There aren’t that many new farmers training from non farming families.

But as with everything else they’ve done our current government are only interested in grabbing headlines and punishing anyone who achieves anything.

We should not be importing any food. It’s not good for the planet.

We need to support our farmers to be a better industry. They work very hard. It’s not really a job you go home from at 5pm, it’s a 24/7 way of life. If you have a dairy herd you have to be available to milk twice a day, every day, even Christmas Day. You don’t get paid leave. During the lambing season you are on call day and night. If you grow corn/wheat etc., you’re out combining all day and through the night, to make sure you get the crop in on time. The weather is a farmer’s nightmare. Too much rain and a whole crop can be ruined.

No. Cutting the winter fuel allowance for better off pensioners was the right thing to do.

We are supporting our farmers.

It might have been if they'd actually done that. What they did was cut the winter fuel allowance for all pensioners that don't receive pension credit. Those pensioners are not all "better off". Some of them are less "better off" than those still receiving WFA.

I am in my fifties and have always voted Labour. I was relieved when the Tories left as I work in the NHS and was scared at what was happening. I am a bit nervous however about our Labour government now, as I don’t know how far they will go to help the vulnerable.

What I hate is when people accuse people like the OP being a bot, Russian, working at CCHQ etc. Ordinary people are having conversations like the OP in real
life all the time. I am on WhatsApp groups with friends worrying about Labour and the economy.

It makes me cringe when people think OPs criticising Labour have some other agenda. As much as I hated the endless previous accusations of anti-Tory threads being planted by Labour HQ. Or are we saying that we humble folk can’t have opinions on the government?

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Live it up! While you can. I agree. To the poster saying I’m not genuine. Why wouldn’t I be! My parents were boomers. There is no boom for my generation. Only gloom

OswaldCobblepot · Today 13:40

MrsSkylerWhite · Today 13:34
No. Cutting the winter fuel allowance for better off pensioners was the right thing to do.

It might have been if they'd actually done that. What they did was cut the winter fuel allowance for all pensioners that don't receive pension credit. Those pensioners are not all "better off". Some of them are less "better off" than those still receiving WFA.

In such cases, they were very publicly urged to apply for pension credit. That thousands of older people choose not to is entirely their decision.

In such cases, they were very publicly urged to apply for pension credit. That thousands of older people choose not to is entirely their decision.

@MrsSkylerWhite I wasn't referring to those who could claim pension credit but don't, I meant the people who are just over the cut off for pension credit. Some of those people (my FIL included) are a couple of quid a week over the limit so not entitled to pension credit. Those people are worse off than the people claiming pension credit.

I thought this was going to be about the potential tears, etc, post birthing!

Quite right. Not claiming what you have a right to isn't pride, it's stupidity. It's stubbornness. It's nothing to be lauded.

Maybe, but if you look at who has been in power for the majority of the time you've been alive, you'll find it isn't Labour. Were you scared when the last government was in power? No? Then you weren't paying attention.

@pointythings I don't think it's as simple as that. A lot of older people are put off claiming because of the application process. The forms are very lengthy I believe.

@OswaldCobblepot

There has to be a line drawn on everything. I’m sorry that your FIL fell foul of that line. The economic mess was bestowed by the Conservative governments of the past 14 years. His predicament is entirely down to them. Those are the ones you ought to be pissed off with.

Every generation is having to take a hit to try to deal with the above mentioned mess. The vast majority of pensioners are still more economically protected than other generations. .

This. This. This.

I have voted labour my entire adult life. I come from Barnsley. A town where they say, you could pin a red rosette on a seaside donkey. And it would get in. It’s generational disdain for the tories so in no way did I ever think they were great. But for the first time in my life, I feel a shift. A scary shift. With trump and musk and the ruthlessness that labour could bring in, it could be so catastrophic that we could see a far right shift repeated.