Page 11 | Scared of what labour will do

caringcarer · 22/02/2025 15:27

WomanFromTheNorth · 22/02/2025 03:26

Far, far less terrified than I would be with any other political party in power now. They have inherited a mess after 13 years of the Tories cutting services and bunging money to their rich mates. Globally things are tough. I am utterly relieved that Labour are in power. I'm just dreading the next general election because most people are politically illiterate and think the likes of Nigel Farage give a shiny shit about them. Labour are the only glimmer of hope we have to navigate our way out of a mess.

You are deluded if you think Labour and RR will rescue the UK.

pointythings · 22/02/2025 16:04

YouLookFabulousDarlingFabulous · 22/02/2025 15:08

So they apply legally and don't try to sneak in via the back door illegally. Nobody drowns and those that are entitled to be here can live here.

My point is they would soon stop trying to sneak in by illegal ways if they knew it was pointless. They are grown up's. They can apply through the correct channels or yes they can drown if they are stupid enough to do something of their own free will which leads to their death. Isn't that the rule of being an adult. You make choices and you take the consequences.

Have you seen the state of our own country. We cannot afford to be such a mug. We are still a tolerant, leniant country who takes in immigrants legally.

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You're clearly not aware that there are very few legal routes for asylum seekers - you can't claim asylum from outside the UK. Legal routes have been in place for people from Ukraine, Hong Kong and Afghanistan - and that last has been deliberately mismanaged so as not to let people in.

Or is it the case that you are fully aware of this and that you just don't care?

Tiredalwaystired · 22/02/2025 16:08

caringcarer · 22/02/2025 15:25

Reform UK are leading the polls ATM. They have already said one of the first things they will do is reverse the farmer tax to ensure food security for the UK. Labour never think ahead they upped the tax on Non-Doms then seemed so surprised when the most wealthy left the country. They've stacked the decks against LL's when they know the courts are blocked then they'll be saying they can't understand when many LL's sell up and people find themselves homeless because there is not enough temporary accommodation to put 50 percent of renter's in when LL's sell up. Red Ed is insisting all LL's must have EPC C yet home owners don't have to have it. Total madness. They give away the Charges Islands then spend billions every year renting back Diego Garcia. Yet they can't afford to give pensioners WFA. The UK is paying far more for electricity than other countries because of the UK drive to Met Zero. Never mind China carries on producing more and more waste and getting richer as a country because of it. Mad policies for mad Labour.

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Labour were always, always going to do the most unpopular stuff at the start of their tenure.

The British public have very short political memories so they can afford to.

It’s when we get to year three onwards that I would start to look at polls. They’re pretty meaningless at present.

JohnTheRevelator · 22/02/2025 16:11

I am really worried about what they are going to do to ESA and PIP. I am disabled with numerous health problems and in all honesty,if I was forced to go out to work,I'm sure it would finish me off. I struggle as it is already to get through each day without having to go to work. I only just manage on the money I receive from these 2 benefits and if there are drastic cuts as they are threatening,I will be stuffed. It's not helped by keep seeing sensationalist headlines online in certain newspapers saying things like 'Sick and disabled people to be forced to find work' and 'Disability benefits to be slashed by £400 per month'. I am losing sleep over it all.

Yorkshirelass04 · 22/02/2025 16:17

Wantachangefor2024 · 22/02/2025 15:01

This forum isn’t for me. It’s just presumptuous. You are presuming I never feared the tories. I did. You presume I voted brexit. I didn’t!

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Then why are you suddenly scared by the current government? We have experienced worse. Or were you equally scared before?

SinkToTheBottomWithYou · 22/02/2025 16:40

SpidersAreShitheads · 22/02/2025 10:45

I think there was a small minority who were genuinely spiteful about the 20% rise. Most of the posts I saw were from people who were ideologically opposed to private education and felt that the VAT exemption was unfair. There was also the feeling that the vast, vast majority of families using private education wouldn't have to pull their children out - which largely seems to be the case.

As I said earlier, I'm a bit of an outlier. I'm not in a position to be able to afford private education, attended state school myself, and I'm firmly left-wing. However, I think given the absolute train wreck of our current state education, making it harder to access private education is the last thing we need right now. The money from the VAT won't even touch the sides trying to shore up the current shit-show that is going on in state schools right now (I was a school governor for 5+ years). I was/am very opposed to the VAT rise.

Nevertheless, I still don't think the two viewpoints are equal. Private education remains quite controversial, and it's an ideological position that many people are opposed to because it gives some children an advantage, many of whom who are already privileged. Laughing at vulnerable people not being able to afford to eat is not an ideological position, it's just punching down on the less fortunate.

And yes, I do think people expected Labour to be more sympathetic to vulnerable groups. They've always been the party to protect those in poverty, the disabled etc. But there are very real concerns that they're Tory-Lite at the moment - the courts have already said that changing disability benefits just to raise money is not acceptable, and will leave people in unacceptable poverty with no improved chances of being able to work. People are worried about what Labour are going to do to disability benefits because at the moment they're a lifeline for those who can't do all the things that other people take for granted. We're waiting for an announcement but it's pretty scary.

(I work FT as self-employed, but I also care for three disabled people and in addition, two years ago my DP collapsed with a neurological issue. He had a high-flying IT career and has been told they can't cure him and he will never work again. Not everyone on disability benefits are chancers - it's really, really shit having no choice but to rely on government handouts).

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Very interesting viewpoint, I agree overall. It is a pleasure to read such a constructive and articulate post.

Dorisbonson · 22/02/2025 16:51

ploppydoppy · 22/02/2025 09:08

@Dorisbonson all because of VAT on school fees? Where did you go?

Someone earning 30k pays circa 5k in tax a year. The low earners are subsidised by tax payers who are paying more than 17k in tax. Do you really want higher earners to leave?

We have always had lower earners and people who take more in tax than then pay, it's not a new thing. Not helped off course by economic policy that devalued wages and boosted asset prices.

The UK is losing more millionaires a year than any country in the world.

Is there evidence of this, I am interested?

It wasn't just VAT on school fees. Every time we tried to get ahead or save for the future we ended up paying huge amounts of tax and getting hammered every time we tried to do the right thing.

I think if you open a newspaper you will find the statistics. You can also just use Google.

Tiredalwaystired · 22/02/2025 17:10

Dorisbonson · 22/02/2025 16:51

It wasn't just VAT on school fees. Every time we tried to get ahead or save for the future we ended up paying huge amounts of tax and getting hammered every time we tried to do the right thing.

I think if you open a newspaper you will find the statistics. You can also just use Google.

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I actually think it should be up to the person who makes a claim to back it up to be fair.

HeldBack · 22/02/2025 17:12

JohnTheRevelator · 22/02/2025 16:11

I am really worried about what they are going to do to ESA and PIP. I am disabled with numerous health problems and in all honesty,if I was forced to go out to work,I'm sure it would finish me off. I struggle as it is already to get through each day without having to go to work. I only just manage on the money I receive from these 2 benefits and if there are drastic cuts as they are threatening,I will be stuffed. It's not helped by keep seeing sensationalist headlines online in certain newspapers saying things like 'Sick and disabled people to be forced to find work' and 'Disability benefits to be slashed by £400 per month'. I am losing sleep over it all.

I think the most vulnerable will be those with anxiety, ASD and ADHD diagnoses. And those with ME/CFS. The best solution would be do have high quality clinically-trained assessors who do not have an agenda. Can’t see that being funded though.

Obviously I don’t know what your conditions are but it’s horrid you are feeling so vulnerable.

Azdcgbjml · 22/02/2025 17:26

This is an interesting explanation of inheritance tax for farmers OP if you're worried about your uncle it's worth a watch.

My teen has ME/CFS and of course I am slightly anxious about disability benefits changes however I am not going to believe the scaremongering headlines. I will wait and see what actually happens. I have more hope that a Labour government will do the right thing than a Tory government though.

IVFmumoftwo · 22/02/2025 17:39

Did you complain about the benefit cuts the Tories implemented? Bringing in the two child cap? I bet you didn't.

4C0rners · 22/02/2025 17:43

HeldBack · 22/02/2025 17:12

I think the most vulnerable will be those with anxiety, ASD and ADHD diagnoses. And those with ME/CFS. The best solution would be do have high quality clinically-trained assessors who do not have an agenda. Can’t see that being funded though.

Obviously I don’t know what your conditions are but it’s horrid you are feeling so vulnerable.

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You don’t get PIP for ASC, AdHD or anxiety. You get it for disability. You may have ASC or anxiety but you will need to be significantly disabled to qualify. As such I don’t think people significantly impacted enough to qualify will be anymore vulnerable than anybody else.

Alexandra2001 · 22/02/2025 17:44

Perseimmion · 22/02/2025 13:27

We should not be importing any food. It’s not good for the planet.

We need to support our farmers to be a better industry. They work very hard. It’s not really a job you go home from at 5pm, it’s a 24/7 way of life. If you have a dairy herd you have to be available to milk twice a day, every day, even Christmas Day. You don’t get paid leave. During the lambing season you are on call day and night. If you grow corn/wheat etc., you’re out combining all day and through the night, to make sure you get the crop in on time. The weather is a farmer’s nightmare. Too much rain and a whole crop can be ruined.

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The K for at least 100 years has imported food, there are too many of us! and as you rightly say, our climate can be fickle.

I'm well aware of dairy farming, i ve milked cows, been up at 5am, rolling back a silage sheet in the freezing rain, shat on by a cow in the spring, kicked in the face!!! its fucking hard work but like most jobs on a farm, it's often some poor sod on min wage who is doing this!!
Farmers campaigned hard to get rid of wages boards, shameful!

But dairy right now is highly profitable, so is lamb production... they like to keep quiet about that!

My point is, not that we should scrap subsidy, though it did work in NZ, its that farmers already get a tremendous amount of support from the tax payer, yet all they want is more..... or as they say down here "You never see a poor farmer"

4C0rners · 22/02/2025 17:45

I’d be waaaay more scared if we still had Bonkers Boris, Slimy Sunak or god forbid Fuckwitt Farage sucking up to Trump and Musk. Count your blessings.

ploppydoppy · 22/02/2025 17:48

I think if you open a newspaper you will find the statistics. You can also just use Google.

I asked @Dorisbonson because Google told me China was number 1?

We also have a very disproportionate number to start with...

Llttledrummergirl · 22/02/2025 18:08

Wantachangefor2024 · 22/02/2025 14:54

Oh good. Another post from someone’s username is the Little drummer girl. A book about how a girl gets recruited by Mossad. I will be ok with what is to come. But I’m scared for others. I’m scared for pensioners who needed their fuel allowance to survive. I’m worried for Gaza, as I worry for the vulnerable. Who (mossad) the idf have obliterated. Trump wants to create an American riveria takeover. Maybe that’s why Meghan markle changed the name of her brand. Who wants that association. I feel not just with labour but the world we are on the cusp of something I’ve not seen in my lifetime

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Wtf are you on about? I wasn't aware there is a limit to how many times I post. I didn't know there was a book, I'm going to have to read it. To even make your comment on my username without knowing how it came into being shows a lack of any kind of thought process, let alone reasonable.

You clearly can't back your facts so are resorting to absurdities and regurgitation of your script.

EasternStandard · 22/02/2025 18:09

ploppydoppy · 22/02/2025 17:48

I think if you open a newspaper you will find the statistics. You can also just use Google.

I asked @Dorisbonson because Google told me China was number 1?

We also have a very disproportionate number to start with...

Did it say where UK was?

Llttledrummergirl · 22/02/2025 18:11

4C0rners · 22/02/2025 17:45

I’d be waaaay more scared if we still had Bonkers Boris, Slimy Sunak or god forbid Fuckwitt Farage sucking up to Trump and Musk. Count your blessings.

Can you imagine if beaten by a lettuce Truss was still pm. She would probably have been on that stage, saluting next to Bannon.

4C0rners · 22/02/2025 18:11

Llttledrummergirl · 22/02/2025 18:11

Can you imagine if beaten by a lettuce Truss was still pm. She would probably have been on that stage, saluting next to Bannon.

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healthadvice123 · 22/02/2025 18:12

@BellaCiao23 the usa is not the country they would want to go to anyway. There is not much to encourage them to stay in the uk at the moment

TankFlyBossW4lk · 22/02/2025 18:17

Wantachangefor2024 · 22/02/2025 01:58

Is anyone else terrified of what labour will enforce. The tax on farmers. Will they means test pip? Will they tax state pension more? What else will they do and where will it all end. They ruthlessly without no care took away the winter fuel allowance. Means testing and taxing state pension would massively impact my family

They haven't done anything ruthlessly or without care. If you're getting the state pension now, I doubt that will change now.

We're here because of 14 years of misrule by the Torys. I'm amazed at how many people who really don't earn that much or rely on state pensions vote Tory. They are so vulnerable to having to pay for their health care and social services, yet they hang on because of Winter fuel payments and the like. False economy I say.

I feel much safer with Labour although I do appreciate that we are going through a very bad time for the Western world. Brought on again by right wing politics. God the thought of having Kemi, Boris or any other of the utter idiots who have been in Tory leadership positions at the helm chills me to the bone. Unfortunately, I suspect those people who might think like you will vote in Farrage next. And then you'll think it's wonderful that he's got a D in maths because everyone can relate to him🙄

Moooooooooooooooooo · 22/02/2025 18:22

IridiumSky · 22/02/2025 02:16

Rubbish.

The UK state pension is taxed as income.

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Erm, no it’s not. The state pension is under the tax allowance limit, ergo, no tax liable. You only pay tax if you are earning or have an additional private pension which then takes you over the tax allowance limit.

TankFlyBossW4lk · 22/02/2025 18:27

caringcarer · 22/02/2025 15:27

You are deluded if you think Labour and RR will rescue the UK.

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I don't necessarily think anyone will save the UK. But I'm absolutely sure that the Tory's won't save anyone but their own skins. As we have seen.

TankFlyBossW4lk · 22/02/2025 18:38

Finerthingsinlife · 22/02/2025 14:41

Honestly, I'm more worried that we have an extremely weak leader who is not at all respected on the world's stage at this point in history.

He's just too weak for today's global politics. He has no presence or bearing and is instantly forgettable. He doesn't even have a strong monarch to back him either.

It's a mess and we are embarrassing on the world stage quite frankly.

Blimey, really. Who do you think is a good leader? FElon and Trump?

pointythings · 22/02/2025 18:45

TankFlyBossW4lk · 22/02/2025 18:38

Blimey, really. Who do you think is a good leader? FElon and Trump?

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People like @Finerthingsinlife confuse shallow trappings and appearance with competence. It's very sad.