How Can The World Stand By While Trump Sucks Up To Putin?

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OK, so this probably isn't an AIBU, but I'm speechless that Trump is behaving like a bully and seems to be getting away with it.

He just lies. "Zelensky is a dictator" "Ukraine started the war" "Putin has done nothing wrong" etc, etc. I can hardly believe what's been said on the news today.

Why are the rest of the world letting this happen? If America want's to align themselves with Russia, then we should be returning the Chagos Islands without the huge sum of money promised, closing all the US airbases in the UK, closing the US embassy, and expelling their diplomats, etc, etc.

Trump is a madman and what is going to happen if no-one stands up to him? If this was anyone else they just wouldn't get away with it.

Trump has proposed a deal with the UK--reciprocal tariffs. US tariffs against UK products will be exactly as much as the tariffs that the UK imposes on US products. Sounds fair to me.

I'm out until MN so some actual fucking moderating. If that gets me banned so be it.

They’re not though… that’s the point

I wouldn’t believe Trump if he told me the sky was blue.

You say that like it's a threat to Americans. We Yanks are happy to leave your bases. Delirious, because it means that Europe is finally taking responsibility for its own security. Or not. Whatever. Not our circus and should never have been our circus.

That's why the VP is on his way back to Europe in the next few days--to explain that we're leaving. It won't be a complete withdrawal but it will be the vast majority.

80 years after the end of WWII it's high time for the US to leave NATO to its own devices. Complete withdrawal is already being discussed by both the Trump admin and Congress.

As for Putin invading Poland, Wasn’t there an incident at the beginning of this war when a missile entered Poland by accident and everyone including Putin were crapping themselves that it was Russian, I think it turned out to be Ukrainian didn’t it , but this incident showed there was no interest in attacking Poland.

Yet.

Will you believe the BBC? The US is doing reciprocal tariffs with the UK and including, rightly, your VAT in the calculation.
www.bbc.com/news/articles/c863zd9zz42oe

Not if its information is a report on a promise from Trump. He changes his mind more often than his underwear.

Do you know that every American man must register for conscription within 30 days of his 18th birthday? It's federal law. If it was good enough for my son to have to register to go fight for Europe if he was called, it's good enough for your son, too. That's the reality of living in a dangerous world.

A world that’s just been made considerably more dangerous by your president.

As a Brit I do understand your way of thinking.

The issue with the British public is over the last 30 or so years, they’ve adopted a ‘somebody else can do it’ mentality - they don’t feel any individual responsibility at all, they have a full belief that they should be entitled to X or Y but you can’t ask them to contribute in return as it somehow violates their human rights. I’ve seen light voluntary work in return for benefits (in able bodied people) described as ‘forced labour’ on here, I’ve seen people suggesting they ‘save the state a fortune’ by looking after their own children and relatives, I’ve seen posters suggest that it’s perfectly acceptable to claim benefits rather than work if working makes the school drop off stressful. They seem to think their mere existence is doing the world a favour, and that of the state isn’t pandering to their every whim then it’s oppressing them.

They will now make this an issue of ‘selfish Americans’ because they will come up with some reason why as usual they’re incapable of contributing and instead need everyone else to do it for them.

Trump isn’t unreasonable in saying USA has carried Europe in many ways for far too long, but he’s been very undiplomatic in how he goes about it.

I also think calling Americans ‘Yanks’ is rude and pejorative and tbh with that sneering attitude I’m not surprised they’re ghosting us

The issue with the British public is over the last 30 or so years, they’ve adopted a ‘somebody else can do it’ mentality - they don’t feel any individual responsibility at all, they have a full belief that they should be entitled to X or Y but you can’t ask them to contribute in return as it somehow violates their human rights. I’ve seen light voluntary work in return for benefits (in able bodied people) described as ‘forced labour’ on here, I’ve seen people suggesting they ‘save the state a fortune’ by looking after their own children and relatives, I’ve seen posters suggest that it’s perfectly acceptable to claim benefits rather than work if working makes the school drop off stressful. They seem to think their mere existence is doing the world a favour, and that of the state isn’t pandering to their every whim then it’s oppressing them.

You think this is the majority of the British public?

Not enforced, there is no actually training etc since the early 70s.... whats your point?

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A world that’s just been made considerably more dangerous by your president.

Quite

Scary . Sad and very true

Probably not the majority, but a minority significant enough that it’s shifted the societal mindset slightly, yes. Earlier today I saw a comment on Facebook by somebody outraged their child’s teacher won’t accompany them on the bus home from school because the child has anxiety. No thought whatsoever for the teacher, their work times, the fact it would probably take them in the wrong direction from their own home, and the fact they were their bloody parent and should be doing it! It’s not even that extreme an example anymore, although it is up there.

I'm sure many will disagree but Biden was in China's pocket. We didn't do anything about that either. I didn't vote for either party. I hope we have a half descent candidate next election but I'm not hopeful.

The US doesn't need allies. Allies to us are a burden, not a help. As soon as we get our iron dome up and working, which Trump plans to do in the next few years, we plan to drop our defense spending hugely and with it our tax burden.

I do think however, these issues are what are pushing the move to the right across the world. There is no denying. Europe have hidden behind America for want of a better phrase. We have been blowing money left, right and centre and left ourselves fully exposed. That’s on all recent governments, Labour, Tory, Lib Dem. All that’s happened is a populist has come in and convinced American tax payers they are doing the heavy lifting and that has to stop. A bit like Farage has done here and other leaders in Europe.

Western governments have taken for far too long, caused hatred and separation and now here we are. People are voting for the leaders they feel will put their interests first. People have been given the impression they are paying for everyone else and they are turning away from it.

As a country, we alienated ourselves from the USA, EU and shrunk our defence force whilst killing productivity. The only way we can afford the sweeping investment in defence is to cut state spending. We have reached our limit with taxing as RR has found out. The world is standing by because for too long western governments have been pushing people away. The left really need to address their part in that as well as the right.

Seriously? How can you have an election mid war? Where are these voters ?

Your armed forces aren't that high quality, and without American backup they're toast.

Earlier today I saw a comment on Facebook by somebody outraged their child’s teacher won’t accompany them on the bus home from school because the child has anxiety.

Again I don't think this is particularly representative of anything. Stupid people will always exist.

This iron dome? 😂

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trumps-iron-dome-space-weapons-plan-ignores-physics-and-fiscal-reality/

I also think calling Americans ‘Yanks’ is rude and pejorative and tbh with that sneering attitude I’m not surprised they’re ghosting us

Whats wrong with Yanks? They've been known as that forever.

The US have stabbed us & Europe in the back "Special relationship" my arse! they have taken on the roll of International Policeman but now have basically said "You re on your own"...

& don't bring up previous POTUS demands to increase defence spending, it was guidance only, the Tories actually cut it during this time.

A decent friend would have said "You've 5 years, re-arm in that time, or we are gone"

But the biggest betrayal is siding with the Russians, unbelievably treacherous & dangerous for all inc the US.