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Thelasthurdle · 2025-02-19T17:31:08+00:00

I admit I'm older generation. I'm a great admirer of singers such as Nina Simone, Linda Ronstadt, Suzi Quatro, Christine Perfect, Joan Baez, Tracy Chapman etc, etc. They all not only have great voices but also real musical talent. And they also don't stand and sing in their knickers So what is it with people like Beyonce and Rhianna? If they really are talented why do they need to sing in their knickers? Why do they need to use sex to sell their songs? They are powerful enough not to bend to the industry pressure on them. Why not stand or fall on their talents rather than on selling their sexuality.?

Atichen · 19/02/2025 23:16

Sorry not read everything but wanted to add some examples of men that spring to mind:
Nick Oliver from queens of the stone age used to perform naked ( though he left in 2004)
Ive seen iggy pop top less and in see-through trousers (with the zip undone)
And the guy from idles performed in his pants
https://images.app.goo.gl/gDjEmzE4boX1Tbs58

BunnyLake · 19/02/2025 23:16

ClaudiaWankleman · 19/02/2025 22:32

You’re the one frequenting websites where people leer at camel toes. You won’t find that on YouTube. You’re the one who brought it up!

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@ClaudiaWankleman Ffs it was on Youtube or something. What the heck is wrong with you? Stop being weird. I won’t be responding to you again you’re beginning to sound demented.

Mmeme · 19/02/2025 23:16

JHound · 19/02/2025 22:23

I do find these conversations funny though.

Muslims women’s niqabs and hijabs are a symbol of patriarchy and male oppression.

Female performers in leotards and revealing outfits are also a symbol of patriarchy and male oppression.

What is the precise numbers of centimetres of material a woman must wear to be just right between the two? 😂

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I don't it funny in the least. I find it incredibly upsetting that our daughters still have to navigate this crap.

It's not about centimetres of fabric - it's about equality.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 19/02/2025 23:17

But all I ever see of her in the media is her wearing knickers or even less. So if she has musical talent it is very well hidden from people such as myself because the way her image is sold reveals nothing of this.

This is illogical nonsense though. Her image doesn't 'hide' whether or not she is musically talented. If you hear her on the radio or listen to a CD, surely you're perfectly able to judge her by her voice amd musical style? 'Wearing knickers' (as you put it) has nothing to do with her musical ability.

PanicPanicc · 19/02/2025 23:25

Atichen · 19/02/2025 23:16

Sorry not read everything but wanted to add some examples of men that spring to mind:
Nick Oliver from queens of the stone age used to perform naked ( though he left in 2004)
Ive seen iggy pop top less and in see-through trousers (with the zip undone)
And the guy from idles performed in his pants
https://images.app.goo.gl/gDjEmzE4boX1Tbs58

OP probably thinks generally beloved Bowie is untalented too. Or maybe because it was a man, then it’s fine.

Women singers singing in their knickers.

EG94 · 19/02/2025 23:31

Freedom of choice? Sex sells reach a wider audience. Great marketing!

men do it to 😱 or is it only the women who are sexually provocative that bother you?

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 19/02/2025 23:32

I don't love it either, although it doesn't offend me. I'd consider myself a feminist but I wouldn't feel the need to sing in my knickers. Not that I can sing.

I'm older these days anyway, although still younger than Madonna 🙂

MsKirby · 19/02/2025 23:37

Brinkley22 · 19/02/2025 21:44

Out of interest, what do you think about Sia? I was listening to an earlier interview with her last night actually - and I’m really interested in how she uses clothes and hair now. I’m also wondering if some (not all) women in the music industry (likely those with more power and money) are reclaiming their bodies and their hair back from the patriarchy…. Deciding what and how they use their bodies? I have a daughter… I want to see her in charge of what happens to her body and what she does with her body and how she chooses to dress it as she grows older. And I would hope that she would be able to articulate what she is doing and why. Beyoncé, to my mind, is a very intelligent woman. I’m sure there will be much thought and feeling behind what she chooses to do with her body and her hair. Sadly I think it’s different for young girls getting into modelling; acting; singing… and the royal family

Definitely not sia based on how she treated Maddie. The girl in her videos.

GreenElfWitch · 19/02/2025 23:40

I've noticed this recently too - female stars performing in what's basically a sparkly swimming costume.

And you can say men do it too or whatever, but the proportion of male stars that do something similar is significantly lower.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 19/02/2025 23:58

Honestly I clicked on this thinking it would be some faddy new social media bollocks people were doing now but it's just Madonna warbling whilst in her pants. Not sure if it's an anticlimax or a relief!

Atichen · 20/02/2025 00:04

PanicPanicc · 19/02/2025 23:25

OP probably thinks generally beloved Bowie is untalented too. Or maybe because it was a man, then it’s fine.

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I guess the first 2 didn't have pants/knickers on at all and the 3rd example was boxers/y fronts not knickers so doesn't count either 😀

AlternativeView · 20/02/2025 00:05

Others been rich, without singing in pants.

username299 · 20/02/2025 00:12

I was thinking that today when I saw Kate Nash's outfit. Men usually outsell female artists and they're not wearing their tighty whities.

I remember Axl Rose sometimes wore cycling shorts but can't think of a bloke strutting around in his pants.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 20/02/2025 00:17

ItGhoul · 19/02/2025 18:06

So what you’re essentially saying that unless women dress in a way you seem sufficiently modest, you assume they’re either silly girls being manipulated by clever men, or that they’re selling their bodies for cash?

And you think it was better for Suzi Quattro to sell herself as being ‘one of the boys’ than to celebrate being one of the girls?

Great feminism you’re doing there, OP.

Who do you think buys the most tickets to see, eg, Beyoncé? I’ll give you a clue: it’s not straight men. She hasn’t made millions by selling an image to men.

Honestly, if you only value women who look a certain way and dress modestly or androgynously, and think a woman who is ‘one of the boys’ is superior to a woman who is unapologetically proud of her female body, you’re carrying a hell of a lot of internalised misogyny around with you.

I agree with everything you said. I will admit I did wince at some of the outfits I saw worn to the BAFTAs the other night but my through process was entirely ooh lovely dress but gosh she must be freezing and I don't suppose she's got any thermals on. I think this just proves that I am old.

steff13 · 20/02/2025 00:18

Thelasthurdle · 19/02/2025 21:22

Well actually no. I do have more knowledge of Beyonce than that and my reason for starting the thread actually wasn't to have a go at her in particular.
I was watching Joen Baez singing at the 1960s Civil rights marches on YouTube earlier this evening.
And as always, and actually particularly when I watch Linda Ronstadt - who was beautiful and talented - when I watch these singers from the past singing I'm just struck by their overwhelming lack of need to take their clothes off, simulate sexual acts , behave like porn stars, etc etc because their singing talent is enough.

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I shared a picture of Linda Ronstadt where you can literally see through her shirt.

Atichen · 20/02/2025 00:27

My guess is the clichéd 'sexy man/hunk' image is often more associated with big chest/6 Pack rather than long legs
So the equlivemt of legs out (in a leotard not pants and bra) in the music industry for a man is more like a low cut shirt/unbuttond shirt/shirtles
so the likes of Tom jones/Peter andrey/take that in the early 90's/the darkness/lenny kravitz/red hot chilly peppers... sorry not very up to date with my musical referances

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 20/02/2025 00:30

But all I ever see of her in the media is her wearing knickers or even less. So if she has musical talent it is very well hidden from people such as myself because the way her image is sold reveals nothing of this.

How does the sight of a singer in their undies stop you from being able to listen to them sing and judge them on their voice instead of their attire?

JHound · 20/02/2025 00:43

Mmeme · 19/02/2025 23:16

I don't it funny in the least. I find it incredibly upsetting that our daughters still have to navigate this crap.

It's not about centimetres of fabric - it's about equality.

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So centimetres please?

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 20/02/2025 00:44

Thelasthurdle · 19/02/2025 20:36

I don't actually hold much respect for the music industry and I think the way it treats women is well known.
If the industry lauds her then fair enough.
I don't know her music to comment on it. I can only judge her by her presentation in the media and I certainly haven't seen anything on the way the media presents her to admire her.

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Then you haven’t been paying attention and that’s on you.

Mmeme · 20/02/2025 00:46

JHound · 20/02/2025 00:43

So centimetres please?

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No idea what you mean here

JHound · 20/02/2025 00:49

Mmeme · 20/02/2025 00:46

No idea what you mean here

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What level of material does a woman have to wear. We know that too covered up is bad and revealing is also bad so at what point are women “just right”? When can they start celebrating “equality” by ceasing to do what they wish and appealing to the sensibilities of others?

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 20/02/2025 00:54

Thelasthurdle · 19/02/2025 21:22

Well actually no. I do have more knowledge of Beyonce than that and my reason for starting the thread actually wasn't to have a go at her in particular.
I was watching Joen Baez singing at the 1960s Civil rights marches on YouTube earlier this evening.
And as always, and actually particularly when I watch Linda Ronstadt - who was beautiful and talented - when I watch these singers from the past singing I'm just struck by their overwhelming lack of need to take their clothes off, simulate sexual acts , behave like porn stars, etc etc because their singing talent is enough.

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What do you actually know about Beyoncé?

She’s a dancer and performer. She dresses perfectly fine on stage.

She’s a talented strong black female
artist who has done amazing things in the industry.

Mmeme · 20/02/2025 02:36

JHound · 20/02/2025 00:49

What level of material does a woman have to wear. We know that too covered up is bad and revealing is also bad so at what point are women “just right”? When can they start celebrating “equality” by ceasing to do what they wish and appealing to the sensibilities of others?

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We're on completely different pages. I'm not sure really what your serious point is.

I don't think anything I say is going to turn this into a meaningful exchange, so I'll leave it there.

battenburgicing · 20/02/2025 05:33

I thought it's bcos the music industry is basically patriarchal still & they make more money if their product is sexualised - either make or female now (but obvs female can be sexualised more). I don't know how May artists get a say in their image if they are basically owned by their record company. I agree OP that it's really peculiar when you see the singer at early stages of their career & they're not especially experienced or styled but have clearly amazing vocal talent & the next time you see them they're having to do so in their knickers. I don't care if it's your body your choice or if you desperately want to demonstrate your sexuality identity etc etc. I don't think the majority of them do have a choice & that they have to lean in & sexualise themselves in order to be given approval :achieve success. It is demeaning, subjugating & tiresome. Unless it is your choice. Even then it's dull.

Coolasfeck · 20/02/2025 06:24

Interesting how OP has zoned in on those two performers in particular…

Has Rhianna even released an album this decade?