Women singers singing in their knickers.

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I admit I'm older generation.
I'm a great admirer of singers such as Nina Simone, Linda Ronstadt, Suzi Quatro, Christine Perfect, Joan Baez, Tracy Chapman etc, etc.
They all not only have great voices but also real musical talent.
And they also don't stand and sing in their knickers
So what is it with people like Beyonce and Rhianna? If they really are talented why do they need to sing in their knickers? Why do they need to use sex to sell their songs? They are powerful enough not to bend to the industry pressure on them. Why not stand or fall on their talents rather than on selling their sexuality.?

So I wasn’t imagining it! At least I wasn’t insinuating she performs in nasty corners of the internet like a pp did.

Atm I'm feeling more forgiving of her because having recently heard her on Desert island Discs came over so well that I can overlook the disappointment I felt in her then.

I can hear Cher's sigh of relief from here.

Yes they are not my cup of tea 😁

The classy woman is someone who famously has limited agency over her public image and styling.

It’s interesting that you mentioned Princess Kate in an earlier post (I think it was you, apologies if not), because I always feel that I would hate to be stuck in “pretty” dresses and hats with tan tights and sensible heels. I think that is patriarchy at play also. When I think of her in fact I fear that she is more silenced than when I think of Beyoncé, who (I think) plays on the idea of the male gaze; presents her body as she wishes to; shows her beautiful body carrying a baby. I think my soul would be crushed as a princess.

No I think you’re accessing the videos in some nasty places on the internet. It’s certainly not like that in the YouTube comments.

Kate Middleton is deeply unsexy. Attractive, yes. Sexy? Absolutely not.

Of course - upthread I wrote about how sexual her songs are.

But, of course, as her fan base is women the comments aren’t full of leery comments, at least on any normal website.

Yes there’s a part in the song where she sings “Have you ever tried…. this one?” And does a sex mime. It reminds me of the old “position of the week” in More magazine that my teenage self and friends used to giggle over in the 00s 😁

Well actually no. I do have more knowledge of Beyonce than that and my reason for starting the thread actually wasn't to have a go at her in particular.
I was watching Joen Baez singing at the 1960s Civil rights marches on YouTube earlier this evening.
And as always, and actually particularly when I watch Linda Ronstadt - who was beautiful and talented - when I watch these singers from the past singing I'm just struck by their overwhelming lack of need to take their clothes off, simulate sexual acts , behave like porn stars, etc etc because their singing talent is enough.

Kate’s entire image is predicated on the man she is associated with and his family. Feminism indeed.

Bahahhahaha my thoughts exactly

I’m going to check out of this thread, you have to be trolling oh my god.

Women remain other women’s worst enemies. Gross.

Sabrina has a remarkable ability to perform songs about sex wearing stereotypically sexy attire, and somehow her concert still feels like it has a fun sleepover party vibe for women rather than something designed for men.

I don't know what you mean by trolling.
The whole premise of my thread was why, if a woman has musical talent,does she need to take her clothes off for people to listen to her?
And actually yes, I find it sad, that after all these years of feminism nothing has changed: it's women's bodies that sell. Not all the other talents they have.
You only have to walk down any street and its the teenage girls that are walking round half naked. The teenage boys aren't.
So explain to me why you are calling me a troll?

I've seen Joan Baez singing in hot pants.

What are you talking about?

yes I wonder if we as women carve away at each others bodies as badly as the patriarchy throughout history… is that internalised misogyny?

whereas when I watch Beyoncé striding majestically down the road and bashing the cars with a bat in the ‘Hold Up’ video, I feel strength and solidarity… women letting out rage (in a way Kate Middleton would never be able to!) and also allowing themselves to be intensely vulnerable in writing about painful events in society and in their personal lives.

Seriously?
I don't think so.

Why is she bashing cars with a bat?
Is she an environmentalist?

Shocking, innit, OP?

Haha, apparently MN has an issue with images of Joan Baez in her bikini being used to sell records 😂

Joan, OP?

Out of interest, what do you think about Sia? I was listening to an earlier interview with her last night actually - and I’m really interested in how she uses clothes and hair now. I’m also wondering if some (not all) women in the music industry (likely those with more power and money) are reclaiming their bodies and their hair back from the patriarchy…. Deciding what and how they use their bodies? I have a daughter… I want to see her in charge of what happens to her body and what she does with her body and how she chooses to dress it as she grows older. And I would hope that she would be able to articulate what she is doing and why. Beyoncé, to my mind, is a very intelligent woman. I’m sure there will be much thought and feeling behind what she chooses to do with her body and her hair. Sadly I think it’s different for young girls getting into modelling; acting; singing… and the royal family

Vast cleavage?? Petite little Suzi? Are you mixing her up with Chaka Khan?

What's shocking? Please expand.