Women singers singing in their knickers.

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I admit I'm older generation.
I'm a great admirer of singers such as Nina Simone, Linda Ronstadt, Suzi Quatro, Christine Perfect, Joan Baez, Tracy Chapman etc, etc.
They all not only have great voices but also real musical talent.
And they also don't stand and sing in their knickers
So what is it with people like Beyonce and Rhianna? If they really are talented why do they need to sing in their knickers? Why do they need to use sex to sell their songs? They are powerful enough not to bend to the industry pressure on them. Why not stand or fall on their talents rather than on selling their sexuality.?

Yes I was wondering about that too!

You don't know much about her. Just enough to start a thread judging her though.
200 million record sales, 35 Grammys, nearly a 30 year career - it could easily be argued that you choosing to focus on what she wears says far more about you than it does about her.

I don't know genuinely if this is a race thing or body shape thing. I'm white but curvy, big boobs and bum. Outfits that look good on straight figured women look slutty on me. If I went out in a tank top / sleeveless top like some women wear as a sporty look, I'd look like I was on onlyfans.

Watch the video… it’s interesting and I think could be interpreted in a multitude of ways… I’d love to hear @LucyMonth’s interpretation. Is she expressing anger at the patriarchy maybe? There is also a whole lot of joy and vulnerability and strength in the song and video

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I don't know Sia.
But yes young women should be exploring how they want to present themselves and how they want to express themselves through their clothes and style.
But that's not what I see on a day to day basis.
I see young girls looking all the same. Same hair styles, same skirts not even covering their backsides, shorts that arent even decent etc. Not because that's expressing their personality and individuality. But because they are aping what they see in social media and in the music stars they follow. And because that's what their pals do. Conforming to overwhelming social pressure.

Because you have to be trolling. What they’re doing nowadays is nothing new and the singers you decided to single out don’t even make sense. Beyoncé is known for being super careful and conservative about her image, she might be hot but she’s never been hypersexualised.

Are we really pretending women (and men, to an extent) selling sex appeal is some 21st century concept? Is Dolly Parton untalented because of her style? Grow up.

I tried posting some Jane Birkin and Grace Jones outfits to illustrate my point but they’re currently under review 🤷🏻‍♀️

100 percent agree.

Just as women are getting a more equal footing in society , and things are improving in the workplace and the home with regards to women’s rights we go backwards again with the “selling your body is empowering” crap- this does not benefit women at all.

Also really annoys me when I see middle class women cheering it on as a lifestyle choice- anyone advocating for this needs to spend 2 weeks working in Leeds red light district then come back and tell us how “empowering” it is.

Your outrage is misplaced OP.

Instead of denigrating the women for feeling they need sex sell their music, why not direct that anger at the society that tells women that their sexual is what matters?

Don’t be so ridiculous and why would she even be in nasty places on the internet? Who the heck do you think I am, I’m just a mum on mumsnet. You are the only one on here whose mind is in those places, no one else!

It’s both really. It’s a shape thing, but since “curvy” figures are more common on black women (and we all know how the world feels about black women), it’s tied into a race thing.

I was meant to quote this in the post above. (I don’t know why that keeps happening. I’m sure I clicked “quote”!)

I do find these conversations funny though.

Muslims women’s niqabs and hijabs are a symbol of patriarchy and male oppression.

Female performers in leotards and revealing outfits are also a symbol of patriarchy and male oppression.

What is the precise numbers of centimetres of material a woman must wear to be just right between the two? 😂

That scene where she wears a yellow dress - I’ve read interpretations that suggest she’s mirroring the Yoruba orisha, Oshun, who is known for femininity but also her rage if betrayed. The perfect symbol for that video (and album!)

Somewhere between 24” waist, small boobs and skin that resembles that of a “porcelain doll”, methinks.

I can't stand the ubiquitous leottard that's been around for years now, men get to perform with trousers on

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You’re the one frequenting websites where people leer at camel toes. You won’t find that on YouTube. You’re the one who brought it up!

@ClaudiaWankleman tbf there were a few threads on here too about SC and her outfits/behaviour on her tour. No need to go on the "dark sides" of the internet.

Yeah, why DO female singers always dress like this? I mean, some did a few years ago, but it seems all of them do now (almost all!) The pop singers anyway!

Ariana, Sabrina, Miley, Pink

And... Britney, Rihanna, Taylor, Beyonce.

Some sources say that it's because they have free movement to dance and move around easier. But plenty of female singers have managed to perform just fine over the decades (and move about a bit!) without looking like they're going to the school gymnasium for a practice on the trampolines!

I have no problem with them dressing like this. I just think it's a bit weird, and they just all look the same, and I think it looks slightly naff... Many years ago, singers had an individual look. Now they're a carbon copy of each other!

But all I ever see of her in the media is her wearing knickers or even less.

So now we’ve gone from “singing in knickers” to “all I ever see is her in knickers or less”? Again, can you provide examples of this? Preferably examples other than the pregnancy photo that apparently disgusted you so much, since many women do pregnancy photos (even- gasp- ones with nudity).

The more you post the more it seems like your disgust and criticism are indeed rooted in misogyny (and perhaps a bit of racism as well).

Some people only see what they want to see.

Singers in pop have always used their sexuality in performance. And not just the women- Remember Elvis the Pelvis?