I never thought I'd see the US aligning with Russia

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The US appear under Trump to be aligning with Putin and Russia more and more.

What was until recently referred to as our greatest allie is moving close to Russia in many ways, carving up Ukraine for Russia, trade deals with Russia.

It's bizarre.

Aibu to think it's bizarre or was this always coming when trump was elected?

Forest, very noble but do they have teeth.
All very well forming a new coalition but has it got any meaningful arms

Oh please. Trump is Putin's puppet. This is no threat, veiled or otherwise.🙄

NATO contract is still in place. And as others pointed out, Europe as a whole contributed a substantial amount of support to Ukraine.

However, it is probably clear that actually no-one (except Putin) wants an escalation, and even to him, wrecked states only cost money; it doesn't make sense. Russian economy is not as peachy, either. We don't really know what the Russian population thinks because there is fear to speak out and a lot of misinformation and censure. The negotiators will have to find a solution.

Isn't it a veiled threat toward us?

How on earth do you come to that conclusion?

Well we are the enemy now. Us, the EU, the rest of Europe, Ukraine and possibly NATO.

Very interesting discussion on BBC tonight - the world has changed - remember Yalta? but now it's Trump Putin and Xi carving up the world

@AlexandrinaH How on earth could you NOT come to that conclusion?

Many of the states he won comprise far more land than people.
It's the prairies that swung it for the orange turd.

Many of the states he won comprise far more land than people.

They still are crucial clearly, hence focus on swing states in the run up to the election

Its not that surprising. The FBI found Trump's first presidency to be the result of Russian Electoral interference (Trump denied and distracted and the media dropped it).

He's had buisiness dealings in Russia for decades.

Putin is widely known to have compromat on Trump (videos in a Russian hotel room...)

His first wife Ivana was investigated in 1989 by the FBI's counterintelligence division into allegations connected to her native Czechoslovakia.

His current wife is Slovenian (Yugoslavia when she was born) and I admit - this is my own speculation - she doesn't seem to like him for him. She usually comes across as more of a "handler" than a spouse.

He's been telling us who he is for years.

The reality is that Trump's USA is a threat to the UK. As someone said above, you've got Putin, Trump and Xi carving up the road. The big boys - smaller countries like ours have been dependent on the protection of a larger power for obvious reasons. We are a small country. We simply don't have the capability to stand up against a much larger attacker. We think we do because of WW2 but it was the USA that swung that for us. Leaving the EU was a mistake for this reason -it's imperfect because it's lots of small countries who often can't agree but still sensible to be part of a larger force. Now we're not and NATO is looking rocky too thanks to Trump. Him teaming up with Putin is bad news. Worrying times indeed.

World not road!

If condemned to be subject to the whims of foreign powers, China looks far more stable and well run than the US. If Trump wants the rest of the world to decide whether to come to heel for the US or for China in a new world order, he seems to be doing a good job of making the US appear chaotic, corrupt and an ally of nowhere, and China more reliable, predictable and measured. He’s playing a dangerous game.

And, of course, pictures of Trump pissing on prostitutes in Russian hotels wouldn’t please Trump. He’d probably rather sell Ukraine and the rest of Europe down the river.

Wait until Russia and America liberate Greenland. 🙄

The rest of the world is going to have to respond to Trump's bullshit. Other countries are not going to go against their own interests.

The USA isn't as powerful as Trump thinks. Sanctions can destroy their economy while he weakens his country's position in the world.

I'd forgotten about that! 🤣

it was the USA that swung that for us.

Wasn't it more the Soviet Union? Hitler miscalculated by invading the USSR, and his troops got bogged down. The US contributed more in the way of money and morale.

It doesn’t matter. According to their voting system he won fair and square.

I would say it was Alan Turing who broke the code and gave the allies the advantage

Americans have knowingly voted in a corrupt “strongman” leader, despite all the lessons from countries like Venezuela (and Nazi Germany) on what that is likely to lead to.

For me the saddest thing in all this is how weak Europe is. I don't think Zelensky will sign anything that would de facto mean a capitulation or a sale of his country, though he will be tremendously pressured externally from all sides. The war will go on. Not sure what Europe does when this happens, but as far as I can see, probably nothing. Other countries will soon realise that only those who have nuclear weapons dictate the terms and more will try to acquire it, as the US is no longer ready to help anyone in the hour of need. Dark times are coming indeed.

He’s only in 4 years though that’s the light at the end of the tunnel

Europe is weak. For now. We are old countries which have been tested many times before and survived. Lessons will be learned as to not ever be dependent on any superpower. It will take time, investment and collaboration but our weakness will not be a permanent state of affairs.

In any case I genuinely that for all their bravado, it’s actually America and Russia who are weak which is way they are being so aggressive. We need to have cool heads an out strategise them.

I think it was a combination of things - it gave rise to the myth of 'plucky little Britain winning the war single-handedly' which is Reform bread-and-butter though. Anyway, the point is that we wouldn't have won without the help of the 'big boys.' We do need that protection - from them, as much as anything else. And now it's gone.