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If you buy a massive 4×4 SUV...

518 replies

bravefox · 15/02/2025 14:34

... to ask you to practise parking it in a single space? Saturday afternoon in the town multistorey and the number of huge cars parked half in a second space is 🤯

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mathanxiety · 15/02/2025 19:13

denhaag · 15/02/2025 18:13

It kinds of puts our efforts to lower our emissions into perspective.

Lowering emissions is a thing in the US too. There will always be people who consider it their patriotic duty to drive a high emissions car and thumb their noses at climate science, but most people who are climate conscious are motivated by other considerations, and generally have a higher income than those who refuse to accept climate change. EVs are more and more attractive to people with money to spend on a new vehicle, especially now that so many are bigger and suitable for long distance highway driving (as opposed to the Prius sized EVs of a decade past), and you can charge your EV along the way from, for example, Houston to San Fran (a DD made this trip with no charging issues). Infrastructure is developing rapidly. It's predicted there will be 35 million charging ports, public and private, by 2030 (up from 4 million a few years ago).

Obviously, electricity has to come from somewhere too, but there has been a lot of investment in renewable energy in the last 20 years, trump and MAGA notwithstanding. Renewable energy development is market driven as well as a product of legislation in the US.

LillyPJ · 15/02/2025 19:19

Plantatreetoday · 15/02/2025 19:03

Agree but with councils having no money the last thing they are thinking about is repairing our little country side roads.
Sometimes I think I’d be better off in a tank trying to get down some of our lanes
Low slung cars definitely wouldn’t make it without getting damaged

You should see the roads around here! But I agree that country roads are even worse. It's awful, isn't it?

fatandtrying · 15/02/2025 19:22

CrystalSingerFan · 15/02/2025 18:58

Me neither. Good news about the lights.

I had to stop myself taking a photo of the most spectacularly badly parked car I'd seen recently in my supermarket car park. Do you video the idiots? I bet there's a YouTube channel/hashtag for that.

there are some amazing videos caught on dashcam of people parking lol...... kind of reevaluating my boring life right now

Househunter2025 · 15/02/2025 19:24

Spacehoppersrule · 15/02/2025 18:41

Really? What a narrow perspective. I find being judgemental about people you don’t know says far more about a person than the type of transport they choose.

It's not judgemental, it genuinely tells you something about them. It's a choice someone has made therefore it is informative about them in some way. It's not the same as judging someone on their height, race, age, social class which really is stupid.

People who drive enormous cars are going to be a different type of person to those who drive a honda jazz or mainly ride a bike

Obviously there will be the odd exception to the rule.

OonaStubbs · 15/02/2025 19:29

Cars that are wider than average should be taxed more heavily.

People that park badly, take up more than one space etc should get parking tickets.

WithManyTot · 15/02/2025 19:30

Househunter2025 · 15/02/2025 19:24

It's not judgemental, it genuinely tells you something about them. It's a choice someone has made therefore it is informative about them in some way. It's not the same as judging someone on their height, race, age, social class which really is stupid.

People who drive enormous cars are going to be a different type of person to those who drive a honda jazz or mainly ride a bike

Obviously there will be the odd exception to the rule.

I have a enormous SUV and a tiny 4 seat city car. I use both equally, depending on need. Do I become a different type of person depending on which car I'm sat in? How do you know so much about me?

mathanxiety · 15/02/2025 19:35

Plantatreetoday · 15/02/2025 18:53

In the UK we use design standards that allow for the manoeuvres to do both but it’s recommended to reverse in for pedestrian safety and not to stop your car getting damaged.

Ive only used car parks in the US in and around Norman,Oklahoma and Dallas ( not in big cities ) and they were (I seem to remember ) all angled. People just drove straight in and out. I don’t recall anyone reversing in……
I assumed they didn’t reverse because their cars are ( or were then ) so huge!

Its definitely quicker to park at an angle. From my personal experience in the US they would park at the supermarket, do a bit of shopping then get in the car to cross the road in the car to park opposite to go to a pet store…..repeat for every other shop. However, as I say, this was small town, lots of land in Norman. So I suppose quick parking is important if you’re getting in and out of your car a lot.

Angled parking in England is a lot rarer. I don’t know why. Perhaps because we have less land and are trying to squeeze as many cars in as possible. I’ve never designed a car park layout that way as I always have to squeeze as many in as possible.

Walking across a treeless parking lot in Oklahoma in summer would be my idea of hell. Same goes for winter, with weather at the other extreme. I wouldn't fancy schlepping a 40 lb bag of kibble or cat litter back to my car either way. Most of the US has a continental climate and experiences heat, humidity, and cold that you don't get in Britain. The heat in summer comes at you even from the pavement.

A lot of the US has shopping areas that are characterized by big box stores and supermarkets arranged around a big ground level car park (many acres of parking). Many of the supermarkets and other stores have trollies with automatic locks that prevent them being pushed beyond a certain distance from the doors because retrieving them is really difficult. This makes strategic parking in the middle of the car park a risky idea.

It's well nigh impossible to reverse into an angled spot because the angle is in the direction of traffic flow. You'd have to do almost a hairpin reverse. You would have difficulty getting out too, since you'd be facing into oncoming traffic. It's nothing to do with the length of the cars, in other words.

Quick, angled parking makes discernment of your intentions very easy, for both pedestrians and other drivers, making it safer. Your turn signal and brake lights tell the driver behind or any pedestrians that you're pulling over to the right. Activating your turn signal, pulling up past a perpendicular spot, going into reverse - all make it a slower and more difficult process, and you risk some chancer sliding up behind you and driving straight into the spot (which happened quite often when my mum was learning to drive in Dublin). When you're backing in, it's hard to see people getting out of cars in the adjoining spaces too, and they might not see you. Going forward into an angled spot, you can easily brake if someone in an adjacent spot opens a door, and your line of sight when you're reversing out only has to include traffic on your side of the street or aisle.

Spacehoppersrule · 15/02/2025 19:36

Redpeach · 15/02/2025 18:50

Ah, not unless their choices affect me

My choice to have a hybrid SUV, which has more sensors and cameras than the average space shuttle, affects you, or anyone else, in no way at all. I can park it just fine (and even if I was shit, it parks itself!) and I’ve never had so much as a speeding ticket. Like a pp said, I’m far safer than Maureen in her Peugeot 206. And more environmentally friendly 😊

DiscoBeat · 15/02/2025 19:42

I have a much smaller car but a woman in the biggest of RRs tried to park next to me in the supermarket car park just as I was waiting to get in. She spent ages trying to get it to fit it the normal space and I was amused watching her going backwards and forwards. In the end she gave up when she realised she couldn't get out of the driver's side any more than I could, and went to try again somewhere else. I did catch her eye and she had the decency to look embarrassed!

Purplebunnie · 15/02/2025 19:53

Today I watched a Mercedes saloon drive into the garden centre and park with the white line going down the middle of his car. No attempt whatsoever to park between the lines. and he ignored me shaking my head at him.

There were two Range Rovers in the car park - both parked perfectly neatly between the lines as was my Freelander. I noticed the Range Rovers as it was odd to see two at such a small garden centre

Sometimes it's just twats who can't be arsed

mathanxiety · 15/02/2025 19:54

bravefox · 15/02/2025 18:40

I've just read the article. 161 were too long. None were wider than 240cm.

Even something as gigantic as an imported GMC Yukon is only 205 cm wide. So it would still fit in a UK 1070s space without having to straddle 2 spaces

Whoops! Misread..

The average width is 183 cm. So some are wider and some narrower. Assuming 183cm, and the space is the average 240 cm, you're looking at 28.5 cm on either side and maybe a few more cm if you and your neighbour both parked properly. That's about a foot of clearance for your door to open, maybe some more if there's space available in the spot to the right, and doors have a certain width to them too.

The average heavily pregnant woman wouldn't have a hope of getting into or out of her car, and the population on the whole is a good deal bigger than people used to be in the 1970s when a lot of car parks were designed. There are also lots of older people who can't shimmy themselves sideways into cars in the tight spaces.

All cars are bigger - some by massive margins - because of safety advances. The Mini Hatch is 55% wider and has wider doors than Minis of the 1970s to 2000.

Dillydaydreams · 15/02/2025 20:04

Why do people buy these giant unnecessary tanks and then complain about not being able to park them? Such entitlement and selfishness and they are shit fir the environment.
i think the government need to pass legislation to prevent people from buying them. We are in an environmental crisis.

whippy1981 · 15/02/2025 20:04

Squirrelsnut · 15/02/2025 15:01

I could afford one but I'm not a dick.
I get the serious urge to key cars parked like that. I never would. But I really want to.

Why?

Plantatreetoday · 15/02/2025 20:09

mathanxiety · 15/02/2025 19:35

Walking across a treeless parking lot in Oklahoma in summer would be my idea of hell. Same goes for winter, with weather at the other extreme. I wouldn't fancy schlepping a 40 lb bag of kibble or cat litter back to my car either way. Most of the US has a continental climate and experiences heat, humidity, and cold that you don't get in Britain. The heat in summer comes at you even from the pavement.

A lot of the US has shopping areas that are characterized by big box stores and supermarkets arranged around a big ground level car park (many acres of parking). Many of the supermarkets and other stores have trollies with automatic locks that prevent them being pushed beyond a certain distance from the doors because retrieving them is really difficult. This makes strategic parking in the middle of the car park a risky idea.

It's well nigh impossible to reverse into an angled spot because the angle is in the direction of traffic flow. You'd have to do almost a hairpin reverse. You would have difficulty getting out too, since you'd be facing into oncoming traffic. It's nothing to do with the length of the cars, in other words.

Quick, angled parking makes discernment of your intentions very easy, for both pedestrians and other drivers, making it safer. Your turn signal and brake lights tell the driver behind or any pedestrians that you're pulling over to the right. Activating your turn signal, pulling up past a perpendicular spot, going into reverse - all make it a slower and more difficult process, and you risk some chancer sliding up behind you and driving straight into the spot (which happened quite often when my mum was learning to drive in Dublin). When you're backing in, it's hard to see people getting out of cars in the adjoining spaces too, and they might not see you. Going forward into an angled spot, you can easily brake if someone in an adjacent spot opens a door, and your line of sight when you're reversing out only has to include traffic on your side of the street or aisle.

Agree re Oklahoma et all parking. We stopped walking between the shops after a while as everything was so spread out and the roads so wide that it took ages to get a few things. We could see why those in the know car jumped.

I will have to disagree though on reversing into a parking spot. It is always safer than reversing out into oncoming cars and pedestrians walking about and is recommended.

Plantatreetoday · 15/02/2025 20:12

Dillydaydreams · 15/02/2025 20:04

Why do people buy these giant unnecessary tanks and then complain about not being able to park them? Such entitlement and selfishness and they are shit fir the environment.
i think the government need to pass legislation to prevent people from buying them. We are in an environmental crisis.

I didn’t think anyone here who owns a 4x4 is complaining they can’t park.
Its others saying they can’t park…
Thats the thread

pinkstripeycat · 15/02/2025 20:15

I am a driving instructor and teach parking day in day out. I can park perfectly in my little fiesta but even I find it difficult when idiots park so close to one line or hang their cars over the back of a space.

I don’t see a good reason to have a ginormous
4 x 4!

Drylogsonly · 15/02/2025 20:18

They do it be because the car is wide and someone parking close to the driver door will block it. Small spaces, modern cars = issues.

Drylogsonly · 15/02/2025 20:20

Arraminta · 15/02/2025 17:50

Ah, the frothing rage is strong on here I see.

I drive a RR, not one of the toy ones, one of the proper sized ones. My previous 2 cars were little city go-carts and I got sick to death of being road-bullied by larger cars.

Yes, I'm very good at manoeuvring it and parking it because I've enjoyed 2 separate Range Rover training courses. I never park across spaces because I don't need to.

I don't care about the size of the boot. I love that it glides along, as though it runs on double cream and has velvet tyres.

It isn't financed, but when I buy my next one in 3 years time I will definitely finance it because I've realised it's madness not to. My money works far harder for me by being sensibly invested, not tied up in a car chassis.

I'm not remotely precious about it. If it gets grubby then I get it valeted. If it gets a ding or a scratch then I get it repaired, it's no big deal.

So, it doesn't bother me in the slightest if someone in an angry little Corsa refuses to let me pull out, because I'm contentedly sitting in my own little 5* hotel on wheels.

Wow, just wow. What a post! RR courses…

Plantatreetoday · 15/02/2025 20:21

pinkstripeycat · 15/02/2025 20:15

I am a driving instructor and teach parking day in day out. I can park perfectly in my little fiesta but even I find it difficult when idiots park so close to one line or hang their cars over the back of a space.

I don’t see a good reason to have a ginormous
4 x 4!

What about vans.
More often than not empty in the back.
Any good reason for them to be used.

just thinking of my cousins dh driving his white van every day with nothing more than a few paint pots in the back

lavendarwillow · 15/02/2025 20:24

Is there a correlation with the vast increase in in pot holes and damaged roads and oversized heavy cars?

Purplebunnie · 15/02/2025 20:26

Drylogsonly · 15/02/2025 20:20

Wow, just wow. What a post! RR courses…

Off road courses were free when you used to buy a new Land Rover - well they used to be.

I learnt so much about driving a car and definitely benefitted from them

Drylogsonly · 15/02/2025 20:29

Purplebunnie · 15/02/2025 20:26

Off road courses were free when you used to buy a new Land Rover - well they used to be.

I learnt so much about driving a car and definitely benefitted from them

Oh mate, it was the whole glorious GLORIOUS smug, ultimate smugness of the entire post. All of it. Chef’s kiss. Mwah!!!!

Bubblyb00b · 15/02/2025 20:30

TagSplashMaverick · 15/02/2025 18:06

They’re bad ass? The vantage point is good and high? They’re loud and chuntery? They tow? They fit lots? I can fit a sheep in it? They bounce nicely across fields? You can drive through closed gates?

I did mention farmers

Bubblyb00b · 15/02/2025 20:31

Plantatreetoday · 15/02/2025 17:50

Not all farmers own horses ! ( if you were referring to pp re needed to horse boxes )
Not just farmers need 4x4s. If you use country roads all the time you’ll see they are not regularly, in fact never, upgraded. The back country roads are very difficult to navigate in lower slung cars.
People need those big tires to get over the constant pot holes and unmade dirt roads.

Edited

Ok, I get you, but the overall jist of my comment was they are for countryside, not for cities.

Plantatreetoday · 15/02/2025 20:36

Bubblyb00b · 15/02/2025 20:31

Ok, I get you, but the overall jist of my comment was they are for countryside, not for cities.

Except we don’t all exist in a country bubble. Sometimes we have to drive into town.
Some might even need to go to a city. Like London.

Ive never owned a car whilst living in a city, as public transport is very good, but I do need to drive in and out now and most of us don’t buy an extra car to do that. Nor should we have to.