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To think Trump might be the right Leader for right now?

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Theemeperorsnewclothes · 12/02/2025 23:25

I am so confused why I am starting to think that Trump might be a good thing right now. I do think he is making the right moves to end conflict right now, which of course can only be a good thing for the poor people suffering in war zones but I’m so conflicted. I was trying to search for why I felt this way and what past war and future war situations might mean with Trump at the helm. Below are notes to myself. I know you educated, worldly wise mums will absolutely be able to educate on what I am missing. I am genuinely interested to hear your perspectives.

Why do wars start?
War is caused by many different things, including competition over land, religious conflicts, and nationalism. Imperialism, racism, and slavery have also been causes of armed conflict.
Why do wars end?
Realistically, wars usually end when one side wins or the parties experience significant war weariness. Thus, World War I was only a temporary end-of-war because there was no clear-cut victory.
We need to put an end to why wars start, not why wars end. Too much devastation and destruction and loss of life when a war starts. In this case, like the war in Gaza there has been no clear “winner” there has been constant and significant “war weariness” but some other country/political party/religious group steps in. However, there is still never a “clear-cut victory”
Tackle the issues that START wars and not STOP wars in the first place. A true leader will make their priority tackling all the issues that start wars. Trump needs to prove himself in this approach.
That said, we are in a very volatile world and ENDING wars is the first priority. Trump appears to have that in his sights. I say this as far left viewer of the world, as opposed to the right take on the world, as it is today.
I don’t care if you are left or right or somewhere in between. War must end now and we must have a leader who can figure out how to stop it happening again. The end. The Leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place, is the one who can save humanity. Right now, we need the wars to end, and like it or not, that is the position we find ourselves in, and that’s why, I currently think it might be Trump.

Anyone have any idea who is the leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place? I’m thinking they would need to be free from corruption and probably not an egotistical, power hungry male.

End of my rant 😁.

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WillIEverBeOk · 13/02/2025 06:34

H112 · 13/02/2025 00:28

Above all, he is a racist.

He is homophobic and transphobic and has put the lgbt community in even more danger than they already were.

Restoring womens and girls rights is not 'transphobic' unless you're femphobic and believe in the erasure of all women and girls sex-based rights.

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 13/02/2025 06:36

ThePearlBee · 13/02/2025 04:42

"Do they teach not being a weirdo in ** world?"

With snappy comebacks like that, I'm amazed you haven't ended all world conflicts yourself, OP.

😂

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 13/02/2025 06:36

Justsayit123 · 13/02/2025 04:23

He’s doing a lot more for America than starmer is doing for the UK.

And here come the morning shift.

dottiehens · 13/02/2025 06:45

You are not alone thinking that way. He was elected for this very reason. Think of how Angela Merkel a perceived good leader took us with her messy decisions. We are all still paying for those decisions and will for a long time and some for ever.

Leaders for quite a while now have hidden their true colours as being good and rather sanctimonious people. In fact they are wolves in sheep clothing. Biden, Tony Blair, Trudeau, Keir Starmer and Obama just to mention a few. To what end just more wars, misery, poverty and idiocy. Time to have a president in charged who sort the problems out. Trump is doing it effectively.

Allswellthatendswelll · 13/02/2025 06:51

Open capitulation to Putin is hardly brokering peace in good faith. Particularly giving ground on something huge like NATO membership before you even sit down at the table. It's pretty shoddy negotiating. So either he's a bad deal maker or completely biased towards the Kremlin. Either way it's a very bad business. When Russia decides to take a chunk of another European country they've basically now been told to go for it.

Donttellempike · 13/02/2025 06:55

Yo couldn’t be more wrong if you tried OP.

Zusammengebrochen · 13/02/2025 06:56

Mittens67 · 12/02/2025 23:27

No matter what your question is, an orange psychopath is never the answer.

Indeed.
Narcissistic, abusive, deluded.

dottiehens · 13/02/2025 06:59

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 13/02/2025 06:36

And here come the morning shift.

What do you mean? Like if Trump does not have real supporters? He has a mandate in case you have not notice. In any case if there are scheduled shifts to comment are of the amount of time wasters that come to add nothing to the discussion and just said something like you said or refers to him as the orange man and nothing else.

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 13/02/2025 07:06

I think you’ll find that the general opinion is Nazi Orange Cunt. Unless you’re a robot or an idiot. HTH.

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Serpentstooth · 13/02/2025 07:18

You have entirely misconstrued Trump's aims which are entirely self-interest. If you can't see that then you aren't looking hard enough.

Llttledrummergirl · 13/02/2025 07:55

tamade · 13/02/2025 05:39

At least wrt Ukraine, yes that is no doubt going to be an aspect of the deal. But how did it come to that? Russia took on those regions after the first negotiations broke down, if the deal had not been thrown out those lands would still be Ukranian (maybe with some sort of devolution).
I also think that the war was avoidable so at least two missed opportunities.
The more the fighting goes on the worse it will get for Ukraine, the more people and land they will lose, I don't think it is worth it just to try to weaken Russia strategically (although it may have distracted them sufficiently that they took their eye off the ball in Syria where they lost out bigly)

The illegal invasion and occupation of Ukraine by Russia.

Trump is sanctioning this and that is not OK.

The world needs to tell him, and Putin to fuck off with the backroom deal that carves up a country without that countries input.

The world needs to tell the toddler no. No to Ukraine, no to Gaza,, no to Canada, Greenland, Mexico, no to the NHS, no to whatever Batshit idea comes out of his mouth next.

He is abhorrent.

Jc2001 · 13/02/2025 07:59

No33 · 12/02/2025 23:35

I'm not even reading your post, I already know the answer is YABVVVVVVVVU

So if you had a conflict with your neighbour and someone brokered a deal to resolve it by forcing you out of your house. Would you be happy with that?

Herewegoagain29 · 13/02/2025 08:07

Allswellthatendswelll · 13/02/2025 06:51

Open capitulation to Putin is hardly brokering peace in good faith. Particularly giving ground on something huge like NATO membership before you even sit down at the table. It's pretty shoddy negotiating. So either he's a bad deal maker or completely biased towards the Kremlin. Either way it's a very bad business. When Russia decides to take a chunk of another European country they've basically now been told to go for it.

I don't think Nato membership was ever on the cards, American's are sick of contributing money to European security generally and so adding another layer to it was never on the cards, even from Biden, everyone knows that.

Better settle the war and end the bloodshed, over 1.3 million killed so far and Ukraine retains it's sovereinty.
Better end the war and try and get a deal decreasing the real threat- Nucular weapons - pointed at us all.

Llttledrummergirl · 13/02/2025 08:17

War implies its a mutual thing. Putin could have ended it at any point by walking away, Ukraine doesn't have that luxury.

People who side with bullies are arseholes, people who cause more harm to victims are abhorrent. Trump is both. He is disingenuous, a weak minded, liar and a thief, constantly talking about taking, in this case countries that are not his to have.

People need to stop blowing smoke up his arse, his team actually believe his hype.

Allswellthatendswelll · 13/02/2025 08:23

Herewegoagain29 · 13/02/2025 08:07

I don't think Nato membership was ever on the cards, American's are sick of contributing money to European security generally and so adding another layer to it was never on the cards, even from Biden, everyone knows that.

Better settle the war and end the bloodshed, over 1.3 million killed so far and Ukraine retains it's sovereinty.
Better end the war and try and get a deal decreasing the real threat- Nucular weapons - pointed at us all.

It was on the cards at one point. Even if it's not now then you don't just casually give away one of your main bargaining chips. You also shouldn't be going behind the back of your allies who have also contributed lots of money to Ukraine.

Basically Ukraine will now end up losing territory to an aggressor and the lesson learned will be that you can go into a sovereign territory and take their land.

ladymalfoy45 · 13/02/2025 08:24

Agree with PPs. He's eying up the rare metals in Ukraine.

allyjay · 13/02/2025 08:38

Cupcakes2035 · 13/02/2025 01:15

pre written, Currently doing political studies at uni

Yeah right

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Some people are only aware of a brief summary of 1940 onwards and dont realise the history of the area so view Jews as not "belonging" there.
Bit dumb really as surely most people are at least aware that Islam hasn't even been around as a religion for that long so even without details of events in the area it clearly couldn't have "originally" been an Islamic area.

Bubblyb00b · 13/02/2025 09:26

Trump's "deals" are not really deals, are they? They are not something agreed by both sides, and something that would benefit both parts of conflict equally.

In Gaza, do you think Palestinians and arab countries will be happy with the "deal"? No, it will only increase misery and aggravate the war further. I doubt even Israel will benefit from it, as it will breed more division and resentment and will increase Hamas/Palestinian partisan warfare/ terrorism attacks significantly.

In Ukraine, Trump is not even involving Ukraine in the talks, he is just planning to agree with Putin to stop the invasion in exchange for the 1/2 of Ukraine. Do you think Ukrainians will be happy/ will agree? I doubt that. Everyone know Putin will not stop until he gets all of Ukraine. Thousands will be displaced/ killed/ imprisoned as soon as Russia occupies, like they were in Donetsk region. There are weapons there, and a lot of very angry people. The region could easily turn into another Gaza/ Israel nightmare, with scores of refugees running west.

Trump and Musk are imbeciles, playing at being politicians. They are really, really bad news for all of us.

Discombobble · 13/02/2025 09:27

There were a lot of people who thought that about Hitler

username299 · 13/02/2025 09:35

Apparently they're about to bomb Iran. Trump is such a dove.

Locutus2000 · 13/02/2025 09:47

Theemeperorsnewclothes · 13/02/2025 00:39

Why on earth would you be referencing other posts to say I’m “stirring up trouble”? It’s really easy, don’t get involved in my posts. Don’t attack me on posts?! Maybe don’t engage in my posts? Thanks.

Respectfully, you don't own the thread and other posters are free to say whatever they like. It's how AIBU in particular works.

ExercicenformedeZ · 13/02/2025 10:04

Kamek · 12/02/2025 23:47

The reason why wars start is essentially - Men.

Humans. Not men.

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