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To think Trump might be the right Leader for right now?

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Theemeperorsnewclothes · 12/02/2025 23:25

I am so confused why I am starting to think that Trump might be a good thing right now. I do think he is making the right moves to end conflict right now, which of course can only be a good thing for the poor people suffering in war zones but I’m so conflicted. I was trying to search for why I felt this way and what past war and future war situations might mean with Trump at the helm. Below are notes to myself. I know you educated, worldly wise mums will absolutely be able to educate on what I am missing. I am genuinely interested to hear your perspectives.

Why do wars start?
War is caused by many different things, including competition over land, religious conflicts, and nationalism. Imperialism, racism, and slavery have also been causes of armed conflict.
Why do wars end?
Realistically, wars usually end when one side wins or the parties experience significant war weariness. Thus, World War I was only a temporary end-of-war because there was no clear-cut victory.
We need to put an end to why wars start, not why wars end. Too much devastation and destruction and loss of life when a war starts. In this case, like the war in Gaza there has been no clear “winner” there has been constant and significant “war weariness” but some other country/political party/religious group steps in. However, there is still never a “clear-cut victory”
Tackle the issues that START wars and not STOP wars in the first place. A true leader will make their priority tackling all the issues that start wars. Trump needs to prove himself in this approach.
That said, we are in a very volatile world and ENDING wars is the first priority. Trump appears to have that in his sights. I say this as far left viewer of the world, as opposed to the right take on the world, as it is today.
I don’t care if you are left or right or somewhere in between. War must end now and we must have a leader who can figure out how to stop it happening again. The end. The Leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place, is the one who can save humanity. Right now, we need the wars to end, and like it or not, that is the position we find ourselves in, and that’s why, I currently think it might be Trump.

Anyone have any idea who is the leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place? I’m thinking they would need to be free from corruption and probably not an egotistical, power hungry male.

End of my rant 😁.

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Serpentstooth · 13/02/2025 10:28

The Art of the Steal. First Ukraine, hey Russia, take what you want, USA agrees. Gaza? Hey Israel, take what you want., USA agrees. Greenland;? Canada? You may think he's not serious. Prepare yourselves. Someone needs to take this monster seriously although it may already be too late.

Crikeyalmighty · 13/02/2025 10:51

Not difficult to see why the world has a load of right wing ideology out there at the moment if people are so easily fooled by people like Trump, Farage, Netanyahu etc. They are simply narcisstic egomaniacs who 100% get their jollies from power and get in by convincing the little people that they have their best interests at heart. I don't drive and you only have to listen to conversations at bus stops to realise people take utter baloney as gospel, and are incredibly suspectible to pure propaganda- many have zero understanding of even basic level economics too - as Trump always said 'I like the undereducated' - of course you do mate, they are stupid enough to vote for you, believe your bullshit and there's tons of them. Shut all opposition down, It's Hiltler again -- without the gassing.

luckylavender · 13/02/2025 10:54

I can't imagine any question that this Neanderthal could be the answer to. It

scoobysnaxx · 13/02/2025 10:54

Crikeyalmighty · 13/02/2025 10:51

Not difficult to see why the world has a load of right wing ideology out there at the moment if people are so easily fooled by people like Trump, Farage, Netanyahu etc. They are simply narcisstic egomaniacs who 100% get their jollies from power and get in by convincing the little people that they have their best interests at heart. I don't drive and you only have to listen to conversations at bus stops to realise people take utter baloney as gospel, and are incredibly suspectible to pure propaganda- many have zero understanding of even basic level economics too - as Trump always said 'I like the undereducated' - of course you do mate, they are stupid enough to vote for you, believe your bullshit and there's tons of them. Shut all opposition down, It's Hiltler again -- without the gassing.

Yup

luckylavender · 13/02/2025 10:55

Peace deals? He's destabilised the Middle East this week and he's cosying up to Putin to carve up Ukraine.

luckylavender · 13/02/2025 10:56

TeenLifeMum · 12/02/2025 23:38

I agree with him that paper straws are shit but that’s where our alignment ends. You seem to be being educated by a PR team and missing some vital facts.

Paper straws are indeed shit. But it's possible to drink without a straw.

REP22 · 13/02/2025 11:09

Serpentstooth · 13/02/2025 10:28

The Art of the Steal. First Ukraine, hey Russia, take what you want, USA agrees. Gaza? Hey Israel, take what you want., USA agrees. Greenland;? Canada? You may think he's not serious. Prepare yourselves. Someone needs to take this monster seriously although it may already be too late.

Yes, this. It is very, very worrying. An utter disregard for the United Nations and NATO. No wonder Elon gave Trump what he knew would widely be "mistaken" for a Nazi salute. That's who they are.

P~ssing off African and Middle Eastern nations over glib pronouncements about Gaza... Allying yourself publicly with war criminal Putin and arranging to meet him in Saudi Arabia; that Zelensky "will be told" what Putin and Trump have discussed about Ukraine.

Heaven help us.

I remember that phone company whose slogan back in the day was "The Future's Bright - The Future's Orange". Now more appropriate to say "The Future's Orange - The Future's F~cked".

HowardTJMoon · 13/02/2025 11:17

luckylavender · 13/02/2025 10:54

I can't imagine any question that this Neanderthal could be the answer to. It

"There's a hole in that landfill and we can't turf it over until it's level. What can we dump in it?"

username299 · 13/02/2025 11:27

HowardTJMoon · 13/02/2025 11:17

"There's a hole in that landfill and we can't turf it over until it's level. What can we dump in it?"

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How long would that toxic waste take to break down? It would be like Chernobyl.

Trendyname · 13/02/2025 13:51

Cupcakes2035 · 13/02/2025 01:08

@waterproofed

1. Trump and NATO: While it's true that Trump was vocal about urging European NATO members to increase their defense spending, suggesting that this would lead to the weakening of NATO or that it emboldened Putin is an oversimplification. Trump's rhetoric was rooted in his belief that NATO members were not fulfilling their financial obligations. His position on NATO was focused on ensuring that European countries paid their fair share, not on withdrawing from the alliance or leaving Europe vulnerable to Russian aggression. Furthermore, he did not take any concrete steps to pull the U.S. out of NATO during his presidency. In fact, NATO remained strong during his tenure, and his administration continued to support the alliance's efforts in countering Russian threats.

2. Withholding Military Aid to Ukraine: The claim that Trump's withholding of military aid to Ukraine in 2019 directly paved the way for Russia’s invasion in 2022 is speculative. The aid was frozen as part of a broader political issue related to a domestic scandal, but it was eventually released. Moreover, Trump was not ideologically opposed to providing support to Ukraine; he authorized substantial military aid during his time in office, including anti-tank missiles, counter-artillery radars, and other weapons. The notion that this singular action undermined Ukraine’s security to the point of enabling Russia's invasion doesn't account for the broader geopolitical context and the dynamics between the U.S. and Ukraine.

3. Trump's Relationship with Putin: While Trump's comments about Putin may have been overly complimentary, it's important to note that he also imposed significant sanctions on Russia and expelled Russian diplomats from the U.S. His administration took actions like expelling Russian officials in response to the poisoning of Sergei Skripal, and it approved the sale of weapons to Ukraine before the 2022 invasion. Trump's diplomatic approach was often more pragmatic than ideological, focusing on direct engagement with adversaries, but it is inaccurate to claim that he was a "puppet" of Putin given the actions his administration took against Russia.

4. Foreign Policy and the Middle East: The claim that Trump's foreign policy was chaotic overlooks some of his administration's successes, such as the normalization agreements between Israel and several Arab nations (the Abraham Accords). In Syria, Trump's decision to withdraw U.S. forces, while controversial, was in line with his "America First" agenda, seeking to reduce U.S. military involvement in long-standing conflicts. This withdrawal was not about abandoning allies but reflecting a broader desire to shift U.S. focus to countering China and addressing domestic priorities. The argument that this decision emboldened Russia or Turkey does not fully recognize the complexity of the situation on the ground.

5. Trump’s Stance on Dictators: It’s important to recognize that Trump’s approach to foreign policy was based on a transactional view, prioritizing U.S. interests above ideological consistency. His willingness to engage with autocratic leaders like Kim Jong-un or Vladimir Putin was part of his broader strategy of reducing conflict through direct dialogue. While critics may see this as appeasement, others argue that it represented a new form of diplomacy that prioritized outcomes over traditional Cold War dynamics.

In summary, Trump’s foreign policy was non-traditional, focusing on pragmatism and the national interest. His actions, particularly in terms of sanctions and military aid, were more nuanced than the characterization of him as a puppet of Putin suggests. The U.S. stance on NATO, Ukraine, and Russia during his tenure was far more complex than the idea that he was simply enabling Russian aggression.

Trump fan spotted.

Trendyname · 13/02/2025 14:03

Theemeperorsnewclothes · 13/02/2025 01:45

Me too. Interesting to hear everyone’s different points of view, and I respect every one of them. As I know you do too from your responses. Best of luck in your future studies.

Dont listen to the students, listen to the experts. Ig you are so keep to lewrn about these issues, why dont you watch BBC covetage on American politics every night. They bring in experts for debates. Here you have faceless people whose backgrounds and intentions are hard to judge.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 13/02/2025 14:04

crumblingschools · 12/02/2025 23:31

Do you think he will tell Ukrainian people to leave so he can build a fancy resort there too?

Well yes it sounds like it

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 13/02/2025 14:04

luckylavender · 13/02/2025 10:56

Paper straws are indeed shit. But it's possible to drink without a straw.

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Well quite. No one needs straws. And metal ones are fine.

Serpentstooth · 13/02/2025 14:14

Have you ever heard of Neville Chamberlain Cupcakes2035?

StandFirm · 13/02/2025 14:42

Theemeperorsnewclothes · 12/02/2025 23:25

I am so confused why I am starting to think that Trump might be a good thing right now. I do think he is making the right moves to end conflict right now, which of course can only be a good thing for the poor people suffering in war zones but I’m so conflicted. I was trying to search for why I felt this way and what past war and future war situations might mean with Trump at the helm. Below are notes to myself. I know you educated, worldly wise mums will absolutely be able to educate on what I am missing. I am genuinely interested to hear your perspectives.

Why do wars start?
War is caused by many different things, including competition over land, religious conflicts, and nationalism. Imperialism, racism, and slavery have also been causes of armed conflict.
Why do wars end?
Realistically, wars usually end when one side wins or the parties experience significant war weariness. Thus, World War I was only a temporary end-of-war because there was no clear-cut victory.
We need to put an end to why wars start, not why wars end. Too much devastation and destruction and loss of life when a war starts. In this case, like the war in Gaza there has been no clear “winner” there has been constant and significant “war weariness” but some other country/political party/religious group steps in. However, there is still never a “clear-cut victory”
Tackle the issues that START wars and not STOP wars in the first place. A true leader will make their priority tackling all the issues that start wars. Trump needs to prove himself in this approach.
That said, we are in a very volatile world and ENDING wars is the first priority. Trump appears to have that in his sights. I say this as far left viewer of the world, as opposed to the right take on the world, as it is today.
I don’t care if you are left or right or somewhere in between. War must end now and we must have a leader who can figure out how to stop it happening again. The end. The Leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place, is the one who can save humanity. Right now, we need the wars to end, and like it or not, that is the position we find ourselves in, and that’s why, I currently think it might be Trump.

Anyone have any idea who is the leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place? I’m thinking they would need to be free from corruption and probably not an egotistical, power hungry male.

End of my rant 😁.

Unfortunately the fatal flaw in your assessment of Trump is that capitulating is not the same as ending wars. So far, I'm concerned that his geopolitical strategy is playing in Putin's hands to the detriment of both Western and developing nations. What's happened with USAid is unforgivable. Turning around and more or less 'handing' Ukraine to Russia is unforgivable. Suggesting Gazans leave their homeland and wither away under tarps somewhere as stateless ghosts is unforgivable.

Influencerofcrap · 13/02/2025 14:44

Mittens67 · 12/02/2025 23:27

No matter what your question is, an orange psychopath is never the answer.

I’ve had a really bad day today but this just cracked me up 🤣 thank you!

Serpentstooth · 13/02/2025 15:21

Ah, no reply cupcakes. Before continuing to endorse Trump's "new form of diplomacy" (is that something similar to an 'alternative ¹truth'?) you might want to acquaint yourself with the success of Chamberlain's 'peace in our time'. History eh? Who needs it.

Nanny0gg · 13/02/2025 15:23

Donotwantnot · 12/02/2025 23:36

I think Trump and Elon are doing some amazing things right now. And I’m firmly on Israel’s side.

What the hell is Elon doing that's amazing? (and not actually illegal?)

Serpentstooth · 13/02/2025 15:26

The level of delusion expressed on here can be very worrying.

Donotwantnot · 13/02/2025 15:40

Nanny0gg · 13/02/2025 15:23

What the hell is Elon doing that's amazing? (and not actually illegal?)

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I could tell you he was sending rockets to space and you’d still not be impressed…

Wait a second! 👌🏻

Llttledrummergirl · 13/02/2025 15:54

Are those the ones the blow themselves up?

Nanny0gg · 13/02/2025 15:59

Donotwantnot · 13/02/2025 15:40

I could tell you he was sending rockets to space and you’d still not be impressed…

Wait a second! 👌🏻

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I think there's better things he could be spending his billions on (see Bill Gates)

Cupcakes2035 · 13/02/2025 16:04

Serpentstooth · 13/02/2025 15:21

Ah, no reply cupcakes. Before continuing to endorse Trump's "new form of diplomacy" (is that something similar to an 'alternative ¹truth'?) you might want to acquaint yourself with the success of Chamberlain's 'peace in our time'. History eh? Who needs it.

There are various factors that can influence an event so how is copying what happened in x situation and trying to use that to analyse x in the current situation ' each one should be judged on its own' for starters comparing events ' do we know what the security services know etc that alone can change a strategy or plan ' so because the public only know the official events and not always all the secret service or military activities and information then doing like for like on how one event was is not an accurate way to progress for modern events.

Laiste · 13/02/2025 16:36

I find Elon scarier than Trump.

He's weird and slippery but has intelligence. He's younger than Trump so has more time, and he doesn't have the presidential time limit that trump has.

StandFirm · 13/02/2025 16:47

Allswellthatendswelll · 13/02/2025 06:51

Open capitulation to Putin is hardly brokering peace in good faith. Particularly giving ground on something huge like NATO membership before you even sit down at the table. It's pretty shoddy negotiating. So either he's a bad deal maker or completely biased towards the Kremlin. Either way it's a very bad business. When Russia decides to take a chunk of another European country they've basically now been told to go for it.

I'd be very worried if I were in any of the Baltic states.