To think Trump might be the right Leader for right now?

[Theemeperorsnewclothes]

I am so confused why I am starting to think that Trump might be a good thing right now. I do think he is making the right moves to end conflict right now, which of course can only be a good thing for the poor people suffering in war zones but I’m so conflicted. I was trying to search for why I felt this way and what past war and future war situations might mean with Trump at the helm. Below are notes to myself. I know you educated, worldly wise mums will absolutely be able to educate on what I am missing. I am genuinely interested to hear your perspectives.

Why do wars start?
War is caused by many different things, including competition over land, religious conflicts, and nationalism. Imperialism, racism, and slavery have also been causes of armed conflict.
Why do wars end?
Realistically, wars usually end when one side wins or the parties experience significant war weariness. Thus, World War I was only a temporary end-of-war because there was no clear-cut victory.
We need to put an end to why wars start, not why wars end. Too much devastation and destruction and loss of life when a war starts. In this case, like the war in Gaza there has been no clear “winner” there has been constant and significant “war weariness” but some other country/political party/religious group steps in. However, there is still never a “clear-cut victory”
Tackle the issues that START wars and not STOP wars in the first place. A true leader will make their priority tackling all the issues that start wars. Trump needs to prove himself in this approach.
That said, we are in a very volatile world and ENDING wars is the first priority. Trump appears to have that in his sights. I say this as far left viewer of the world, as opposed to the right take on the world, as it is today.
I don’t care if you are left or right or somewhere in between. War must end now and we must have a leader who can figure out how to stop it happening again. The end. The Leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place, is the one who can save humanity. Right now, we need the wars to end, and like it or not, that is the position we find ourselves in, and that’s why, I currently think it might be Trump.

Anyone have any idea who is the leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place? I’m thinking they would need to be free from corruption and probably not an egotistical, power hungry male.

End of my rant 😁.

So much hypocrisy and worrying lack of knowledge on this thread.
Europe is supporting Putin’s warmongering by continuing to buy MORE gas and oil from Russia.
People polled in Europe often say they support Europe giving more money to Ukraine, but when asked about their OEN country giving more, the numbers fall dramatically.
’We’ don’t win every war. This one is already lost. The territory lost would have been less if Zelensky had been willing to accept that 2years ago, but egged on by European snd Biden support he carried on.
It is not ‘surrendering’ to Putin -he has already won. No more money is going to change that -will simply be more bloodshed.
Trump has recognised reality -he is elected by Americans who voted him in democratically to protect their interests. All this rubbish about pandering to Putin is just petulant ‘we hate Trump’ , or ignorance of the reality of the ‘options’
And no I am not a bot - which it the usual
accusation levied at people who don’t just watch the BBC headlines.

Like this article from the BBC?

You seem to be looking at entirely different newspaper articles to me. Are you in the UK?

’We’ don’t win every war. This one is already lost. The territory lost would have been less if Zelensky had been willing to accept that 2years ago, but egged on by European snd Biden support he carried on.

Are you seriously suggesting that if Zelenskyy had rolled over two years ago that Putin would have stopped? How unutterably naïve.

@ThymeScent This is complete tripe obviously.

If Trump was running a democratic enterprise he would not have handed the keys over to Elon,a, Ketamine soaked nut job not voted for by anyone.

He would not be threatening judges, handpicking which press are in the WH pool, and threatening students who protest on campus. He is apparently toying with bringing in martial law. So democratic

Look at the way he’s treating Canada. It is disgusting.

There is no real democracy in the US, most of the country are drowning in right wing propaganda media stations . And the constitution is worthless as Trump proves every day

Trump is a sociopathic nut job, who a rump of ignorant fools think are on their team. Fine, but they’ve inflicted this destructive lunatic on all of us.

The US has lost its standing in the world, and may never recover it. Utter fools

I do hate Trump - for Ukraine, Gaza and the threats he is making to us in Canada and those in Greenland.
The war could have ended by Putin withdrawing from Ukrainian territory and stop bombing innocent people.

Trump has stopped supplying arms to help Ukraine but is continuing to do so for Israel.

"Investors are starting to think the US administration is losing control of the narrative"

US stocks sink despite tariff reprieve

https://www.ft.com/content/eb63e440-b690-476e-a544-ee27524e90d3

Did they ever have control of the narrative?

anyone without their head up their arse could see that Biden was never going to break the status quo, so for the wars in the middle east and eastern europe to end, it was only ever going to be the Trump way.

Job losses spiked a whopping 245% in February.

This is higher than any month since July 2020 (the middle of pandemic) and the highest in any February since the Great Recession of 2009.

Well in Don! Bigly success

There is a difference between ending the status quo and stopping wars in Europe and the Middle East. Trump is definitely doing the former. As for the latter, when in history has an unstable, corrupt bully ever succeeded in creating the conditions for world peace?

Perpetuating the status quo was not a credible path towards stopping wars in Europe and Middle East.

Neither is being a corrupt bully which alienates its allies.

What would you propose instead @Walkaround?

Someone less corrupt and misogynistic than Trump. Out of the frying pan and into the fire is not my idea of a good way out of stalemate, unless you actually fancy making the situation worse, not better. As with Brexit, Trump’s rhetoric is based on false promises and some truths trussed up in a morass of outright lies. It won’t make America great again, it won’t end wars, it won’t cure any of the problems currently causing people to migrate around the world. It might make China seem more palatable to do business with to more countries - a mafia-style American-Russian criminal-businessman dictatorship is less appealing in many ways than a more stable Chinese one. It might finish off democracy as a concept, and that’s about it.

Rather than becoming more enlightened, we just seem to be repeating past mistakes, all of which led to mass conflict, like the last two world wars. Too many people, especially men, seem to have a hard time differentiating between testosterone and intelligence. If we continue barrelling along at top speed in the direction we are currently headed, I think time is running out for humanity on this planet - but that’s OK, Musk will escape to Mars and fuck that up, too. 💩

No. He's causing a lot of trouble and enjoying himself doing it. He's a disaster.

Musk can't build a reliable rocket - wouldn't bet on the Mars thing for quite a while... But hey, if he makes it there, he can lord it over a dead planet by himself and his AI for company.

Neither is capitulating to Putin.

@StandFirm what approach would you take?

1. Not taking all the cards away from Ukraine to give them to Russia would be a start.
2. Wait for Russia's ailing economy to finally crumble (would not be long now if Trump wasn't helpfully bullying Ukraine into signing away a large portion of its natural wealth).
3. Put in place security guarantees. I would not let Ukraine join NATO for now (too much of a provocation) but make sure that safeguards are in place.
4. Build up European defence capabilities with a view to total autonomy (which the US even under Trump will make VERY difficult). Yes, that should have happened in the last 30 years but what is conveniently brushed over by the Americans is how the US always wanted to make Europeans dependent on them and their systems. Fighter jets and all kinds of equipment are no use without express US involvement. That means they want Europe to spend more on their stuff whilst reserving the right to still meddle in its affairs. It's cakeism at its finest.

Basically, the approach would and should have been to continue to support Ukraine for another year until Russia was really deep in the brown stuff, and to NOT reverse alliances, shit on Europe and side with autocrats. I hope this administration enjoys its 30 pieces of silver.

Israel is the terrorist entity here and the illegal occupier. Hamas are freedom fighters and exist because the white, western world value colonial occupation and land grabbing more than the human rights of brown people.

And I've been told there are no hamas supporters on Mumsnet.

Freedom fighters? Ugh.

He is the right leader for Israel right now. Looking forward to sunning himself on the beaches built over the rubble and deaths of Gaza, having allotted rights to build to all the right people. These are some of the most shameful times in modern history.

Anyone commenting on these threads should log off before entering the US... They do check phones and they do deny entry if they find anything critical of the regime. But Vance stood there in Munich and berated us all on the threat to free speech in Europe... course he did... Some thoughts are a little more free than others eh?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/trump-musk-french-scientist-detained

I'll personally do what I do when I travel to China: use a dedicated device. Never thought I'd have to say that about the US.

@StandFirm

I find this so frightening.

There are countries I wouldn’t visit because of this, China, Russia… unbelievable to add the US to that list.

And then you have complete idiots here lapping up Vance’s, we don’t have free speech stuff.

I see Trump is now repealing executive orders relating to desegregation requirements for federal contractors. It is literally unbelievable to me. I had to google repeatedly to check it wasn’t some sort of dark joke.