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To think Trump might be the right Leader for right now?

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Theemeperorsnewclothes · 12/02/2025 23:25

I am so confused why I am starting to think that Trump might be a good thing right now. I do think he is making the right moves to end conflict right now, which of course can only be a good thing for the poor people suffering in war zones but I’m so conflicted. I was trying to search for why I felt this way and what past war and future war situations might mean with Trump at the helm. Below are notes to myself. I know you educated, worldly wise mums will absolutely be able to educate on what I am missing. I am genuinely interested to hear your perspectives.

Why do wars start?
War is caused by many different things, including competition over land, religious conflicts, and nationalism. Imperialism, racism, and slavery have also been causes of armed conflict.
Why do wars end?
Realistically, wars usually end when one side wins or the parties experience significant war weariness. Thus, World War I was only a temporary end-of-war because there was no clear-cut victory.
We need to put an end to why wars start, not why wars end. Too much devastation and destruction and loss of life when a war starts. In this case, like the war in Gaza there has been no clear “winner” there has been constant and significant “war weariness” but some other country/political party/religious group steps in. However, there is still never a “clear-cut victory”
Tackle the issues that START wars and not STOP wars in the first place. A true leader will make their priority tackling all the issues that start wars. Trump needs to prove himself in this approach.
That said, we are in a very volatile world and ENDING wars is the first priority. Trump appears to have that in his sights. I say this as far left viewer of the world, as opposed to the right take on the world, as it is today.
I don’t care if you are left or right or somewhere in between. War must end now and we must have a leader who can figure out how to stop it happening again. The end. The Leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place, is the one who can save humanity. Right now, we need the wars to end, and like it or not, that is the position we find ourselves in, and that’s why, I currently think it might be Trump.

Anyone have any idea who is the leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place? I’m thinking they would need to be free from corruption and probably not an egotistical, power hungry male.

End of my rant 😁.

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BeGoldHedgehog · 12/02/2025 23:49

I'm sure if it were your sons fighting these wars you wouldn't be so ready to sacrifice them for "land"

RedHotWings · 12/02/2025 23:49

HellNoWay · 12/02/2025 23:33

No.

I am so angry with Trump I could explode. The Palestinian people have endured years and years of being systematically removed from their land. They've experienced multiple wars and for the last 15 months Palestinians living in gaza have been bombed, traumatised, had all their schools blown to bits, loved ones murdered, hospitals destroyed, infrastructure destroyed, and every single person in gaza has been utterly traumatised.

Now Trump is coming along telling them he not only agrees with their ethnic cleansing, but that he wants to steal their land himself and turn it into some kind of play thing, some real estate opportunity. How dare he. How fucking dare he.

After all they've been through.

I can't stand the evil psychopathic monster.

Honestly I hate the man.

As if Netenyahu wasn't bad enough.

Evil greedy men with power make me feel sick to my stomach. Where the fuck is his humanity. Where?

They shouldn't have started a war in that case.

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 12/02/2025 23:50

XWKD · 12/02/2025 23:47

Trump is a cunt.

This

Crikeyalmighty · 12/02/2025 23:50

@PickAChew precisely -

RafaistheKingofClay · 12/02/2025 23:53

Not sure that all the Ukrainians in the east are going to be wild about suddenly finding themselves living in Russia. Especially after the sacrifices they’ve already made.

As a general rule the Ukrainians are very pro negotiating to end the war. They absolutely will not contemplate giving up land to Russia.

Justhere65 · 12/02/2025 23:54

RandomButtons · 12/02/2025 23:45

He’s a puppet. Watch the press briefing from yesterday with Musk and his son. All the body language, posturing, and what the kid was doing showed who was really in charge.

Otherwise no. He’s a very bad leader, he speaks before he thinks and throws out half baked ideas like a toddler. He’s caused constitutional crisis in multiple countries already, and by far the stupidest thing - he’s pissed off his closest ally, Canada.

He is going to cause America to implode.

Elon Musk is Trump’s brain and I think he is very dangerous.

whatawonderfultime · 12/02/2025 23:54

RafaistheKingofClay · 12/02/2025 23:53

Not sure that all the Ukrainians in the east are going to be wild about suddenly finding themselves living in Russia. Especially after the sacrifices they’ve already made.

As a general rule the Ukrainians are very pro negotiating to end the war. They absolutely will not contemplate giving up land to Russia.

they are definitely leaning more toward it than they once were.

however I think it's a smart move to allow land concessions but have NATO membership to prevent further invasions.

Crikeyalmighty · 12/02/2025 23:54

And people who think Trump and Musk are doing amazing things- I'm sure folks in Germany thought that about Hitler initially too . I suggest you watch and wait before making such pronouncements- at the moment they seem very one sided just to prop up netenyahu and Putin - both utter arses . Trump basically is only interested in others with lots of power , regardless of the argument or morals.

username299 · 12/02/2025 23:55

He's the perfect leader if you're of a fascist mindset. "Peace deals" I want what you're on.

TaggieO · 12/02/2025 23:57

I mean, the man is literally a nazi. He’s spouting Hitler ideology left, right and centre. Did you think the Nazis were a good idea? No? Then have some common sense for fucks sake.

BeGoldHedgehog · 12/02/2025 23:57

RafaistheKingofClay sure that all the Ukrainians in the east are going to be wild about suddenly finding themselves living in Russia. Especially after the sacrifices they’ve already made.....

A lot of Ukrainians were Russian....and happily existing in Ukraine

Miniaturemom · 12/02/2025 23:58

My close relatives in the states all think he’s wonderful and it makes me feel physically sick. He and his buddies are causing so much damage to the world, damaging alliances, stripping funding for key research (cancer/neurological diseases/dementias/green energy). When America checks out by saying we won’t support (say,Ukraine for example) he’s not stopping war so much as allowing foreign powers to go on unchecked. The man has 0 interest in benefiting anyone but himself. We are all struggling at a time when a few ultra wealthy are amassing power, influence and fortunes while everyone else is squeezed. He is the problem.

Llttledrummergirl · 12/02/2025 23:59

The fucking idiot wants to take Gaza to build hotels.

The fucking idiot (and his advisors) refer to Ukraine and it's capitsl by it's old Soviet names, not it's preferred chosen names for itself and rather than telling Putin who Trump claims wants peace, to get the fuck back to it's borders and end it's invasion of a sovereign nation, is giving the annexing of land respectability. He is giving away another nations territory unilaterally and without communicating with that countries leader.

The fucking idiot is being made out to be the second messiah by his spokes people- anyone who needs their image massaging that much is not being honest.

The fucking idiot Lies so much that he can't keep a lie straight. If he's had as many phone calls with Putin as he claims over the last month, why all the fuss about today's?

The fucking idiot is poisonous and spreading his canker. He has surrounded himself with jumped up fools of low intelligence to massage his ego and glorify him.

No, there never has, and never will be a time and place for the fucking idiot. Unfortunately we appear to be stuck with him until someone calls his bluff and says no (wait for the toddler tantrum).
That's without the Greenland, Mexico, Canada, tariff nonsense that we've had already. He would be a joke if his behaviour wasn't so dangerous.

GravyBoatWars · 13/02/2025 00:00

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Theemeperorsnewclothes · 13/02/2025 00:00

BallerinaRadio · 12/02/2025 23:43

That was a lot of writing for a simple

No he isn't, nor he ever will be.

If you think Donald Trump is the man who is going to bring peace to the world I just can't help you

Of course I don’t think Trump is the man to bring peace to the world. That’s why I said, I think he is the man to bring peace to the world right now, but value the opinion of others around why I feel like this, and hope for a better solution going forward.

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scoobysnaxx · 13/02/2025 00:01

HellNoWay · 12/02/2025 23:33

No.

I am so angry with Trump I could explode. The Palestinian people have endured years and years of being systematically removed from their land. They've experienced multiple wars and for the last 15 months Palestinians living in gaza have been bombed, traumatised, had all their schools blown to bits, loved ones murdered, hospitals destroyed, infrastructure destroyed, and every single person in gaza has been utterly traumatised.

Now Trump is coming along telling them he not only agrees with their ethnic cleansing, but that he wants to steal their land himself and turn it into some kind of play thing, some real estate opportunity. How dare he. How fucking dare he.

After all they've been through.

I can't stand the evil psychopathic monster.

Honestly I hate the man.

As if Netenyahu wasn't bad enough.

Evil greedy men with power make me feel sick to my stomach. Where the fuck is his humanity. Where?

Couldn't have said it better myself.

beencaughttrollin · 13/02/2025 00:01

whatawonderfultime · 12/02/2025 23:54

they are definitely leaning more toward it than they once were.

however I think it's a smart move to allow land concessions but have NATO membership to prevent further invasions.

How?

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 13/02/2025 00:03

I guess it's easy to believe that wars should be ended at all costs if you don't envisage yourself having to bear any of that cost.

Theemeperorsnewclothes · 13/02/2025 00:03

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Why even bother commenting Gravyboat… surely a lot of energy for nothing.

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MarsScarlet · 13/02/2025 00:04

@Nevertrustacop

What do you think the people of Palestine aspire to? Where would they like to see themselves in five years time? You surely don't think it would be in a land of equal rights for all, living peacefully alongside their neighbours do you? They will not accept peace under any circumstances and have said and demonstrated as much many times. Not just to Israel but to all their Muslim neighbours who they don't find radical enough (so that is everyone but Iran) and those poor bloody countries have had to spend fortunes building walls to keep them out.
And it's the mouthy orange gobshite who angers you? Not the woman hating, gay hating, Jew hating multitude?

Palestinians live in Palestine. Regardless of their religion or their behaviour, it is their land. The US cannot just go in and develop it for themselves and, presumably, Israel.

BeGoldHedgehog · 13/02/2025 00:05

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 13/02/2025 00:03

I guess it's easy to believe that wars should be ended at all costs if you don't envisage yourself having to bear any of that cost.

Or they should continue at all cost if you don't bear any of that cost yourself.

ACynicalDad · 13/02/2025 00:06

I think he's basically giving a chunk of Ukraine to Russia, that may stop this war, but it's not stopping any other, it emboldens Putin. He'll be back. I'm much more concerned by Ukraine than Hamas as they started their war knowing Israel would come at them all guns blazing.

Moonlightstars · 13/02/2025 00:06

Theemeperorsnewclothes · 12/02/2025 23:34

I completely understand where you are coming from. However this “orange psychopath” appears to be brokering peace deals for now. But only for now.

You don't know what you are talking about. The people of Ukraine will never thank him. If France had taken away a fifth of our land and murdered thousands of our people unprovoked would you be pleased if Trump let it finish there because he didn't want to spend any more money.
He is Putin's puppet.

Bloodylovecheese · 13/02/2025 00:06

Trump deals= Ukraine to Russia, China gets Taiwan and he gets Panama canal and Greenland
3 superpowers win
And he's bringing back plastic straws ffs 🙄

PotaytoPotahhto · 13/02/2025 00:07

HellNoWay · 12/02/2025 23:34

Probably.

They’re white and haven’t been dehumanised like the Palestinians so I doubt it actually.