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To think Trump might be the right Leader for right now?

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Theemeperorsnewclothes · 12/02/2025 23:25

I am so confused why I am starting to think that Trump might be a good thing right now. I do think he is making the right moves to end conflict right now, which of course can only be a good thing for the poor people suffering in war zones but I’m so conflicted. I was trying to search for why I felt this way and what past war and future war situations might mean with Trump at the helm. Below are notes to myself. I know you educated, worldly wise mums will absolutely be able to educate on what I am missing. I am genuinely interested to hear your perspectives.

Why do wars start?
War is caused by many different things, including competition over land, religious conflicts, and nationalism. Imperialism, racism, and slavery have also been causes of armed conflict.
Why do wars end?
Realistically, wars usually end when one side wins or the parties experience significant war weariness. Thus, World War I was only a temporary end-of-war because there was no clear-cut victory.
We need to put an end to why wars start, not why wars end. Too much devastation and destruction and loss of life when a war starts. In this case, like the war in Gaza there has been no clear “winner” there has been constant and significant “war weariness” but some other country/political party/religious group steps in. However, there is still never a “clear-cut victory”
Tackle the issues that START wars and not STOP wars in the first place. A true leader will make their priority tackling all the issues that start wars. Trump needs to prove himself in this approach.
That said, we are in a very volatile world and ENDING wars is the first priority. Trump appears to have that in his sights. I say this as far left viewer of the world, as opposed to the right take on the world, as it is today.
I don’t care if you are left or right or somewhere in between. War must end now and we must have a leader who can figure out how to stop it happening again. The end. The Leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place, is the one who can save humanity. Right now, we need the wars to end, and like it or not, that is the position we find ourselves in, and that’s why, I currently think it might be Trump.

Anyone have any idea who is the leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place? I’m thinking they would need to be free from corruption and probably not an egotistical, power hungry male.

End of my rant 😁.

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FartyPants9 · 13/02/2025 02:07

Trump fired hundreds of female government employees including the head of the coastguard, he signed an executive order repealing an equal employment act which could mean it's now legal to fire a woman for becoming pregnant, the republican party is anti-abortion which automatically means its a deeply misogynistic party.

FartyPants9 · 13/02/2025 02:11

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Republicunts also hate women, gay people and jews.

FartyPants9 · 13/02/2025 02:16

Theemeperorsnewclothes · 13/02/2025 00:03

Why even bother commenting Gravyboat… surely a lot of energy for nothing.

A lot less energy put into their post than your long winded opening post.

Theemeperorsnewclothes · 13/02/2025 02:20

FartyPants9 · 13/02/2025 02:16

A lot less energy put into their post than your long winded opening post.

A lot less energy than you commenting on a post that you have not had one constructive thing to contribute to. Take your own negative wind elsewhere @FartyPants9

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FartyPants9 · 13/02/2025 02:23

H112 · 13/02/2025 00:28

Above all, he is a racist.

He is homophobic and transphobic and has put the lgbt community in even more danger than they already were.

He's also misogynistic and ableist, he asked his nephew if it wouldn't be better if his nephews severely disabled son just died.

DomPom47 · 13/02/2025 02:31

Theemeperorsnewclothes · 13/02/2025 00:15

I do have some common sense and that’s why I am asking for different perspectives. I am not convinced Donald Trump is a “Nazi” but I am keen to understand others thoughts.

The man looks up to dictators - always has. He undermines democratic institutions and attacks the free press - textbook behaviour from Nazis who wiped away the norm of democracy in Germany. He is is full of hate - he scapegoats minorities. The shite dehumanising language he selectively uses for the migrants he doesn’t approve of. Again, classic Nazi behaviour. Anything he does not like he uses the misinformation line. The Nazis relied heavily on their propoganda machine and misinformation and Trump now has this in bucketloads thanks to Musk. He encourages political violence- link to the Proud Boys and his handling of the Capitol attacks quite clearly shows what kind of statesman he is. You only need to study History at Year 8 or Year 9 level in the UK education system to understand these points.

Foreveronthemove · 13/02/2025 02:35

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What?! When did I say I believe “brown Arabs don’t deserve humanity” I think it is you that is insane, and also racist.

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1amclub96 · 13/02/2025 02:58

Trump referred to Palestine as the ‘riviera’ of the Middle East. He said he will ‘take the land’ and develop it into something beautiful.

Firstly, he is claiming ownership over another country’s land under the guise of humanitarian aid (can you imagine if he waltzed into your country and claimed it as his own? I think you’d be a little more than angry). Also, where is this money coming from? You have Americans literally fighting for their lives daily, unable to access basic healthcare and communities of drug addicts. Surely the money would be better invested in his own country?

Secondly, claiming Palestine as his own would give him access to Palestine’s natural gas reserves (duh, that’s the main motive here clearly).

And thirdly, I personally would not like to holiday on a beach that probably contains the remains of thousands of murdered Palestinian men, women and CHILDREN.

So, the short answer is no, I am more than certain that Trump is not our hero here.

WaryButHopeful · 13/02/2025 03:13

HellNoWay · 12/02/2025 23:33

No.

I am so angry with Trump I could explode. The Palestinian people have endured years and years of being systematically removed from their land. They've experienced multiple wars and for the last 15 months Palestinians living in gaza have been bombed, traumatised, had all their schools blown to bits, loved ones murdered, hospitals destroyed, infrastructure destroyed, and every single person in gaza has been utterly traumatised.

Now Trump is coming along telling them he not only agrees with their ethnic cleansing, but that he wants to steal their land himself and turn it into some kind of play thing, some real estate opportunity. How dare he. How fucking dare he.

After all they've been through.

I can't stand the evil psychopathic monster.

Honestly I hate the man.

As if Netenyahu wasn't bad enough.

Evil greedy men with power make me feel sick to my stomach. Where the fuck is his humanity. Where?

I completely agree. Well said!

groovergirl · 13/02/2025 03:15

OP, you are a troll. You started this thread as a provocateur/se so as to glean info and usernames and assess how the UK and other nations might be manipulated. You're not even in the UK.

How much are your GOP overlords paying you for this info?

Valeriekat · 13/02/2025 03:50

Mittens67 · 12/02/2025 23:27

No matter what your question is, an orange psychopath is never the answer.

He may be orange but why do you think he is a psychopath?

Ineedcoffee2021 · 13/02/2025 04:08

TeenLifeMum · 12/02/2025 23:38

I agree with him that paper straws are shit but that’s where our alignment ends. You seem to be being educated by a PR team and missing some vital facts.

Paper straws and (if it happens) release of files like JFK, UFOs, 9/11 - this could be interesting

Trifecta · 13/02/2025 04:17

HellNoWay · 12/02/2025 23:33

No.

I am so angry with Trump I could explode. The Palestinian people have endured years and years of being systematically removed from their land. They've experienced multiple wars and for the last 15 months Palestinians living in gaza have been bombed, traumatised, had all their schools blown to bits, loved ones murdered, hospitals destroyed, infrastructure destroyed, and every single person in gaza has been utterly traumatised.

Now Trump is coming along telling them he not only agrees with their ethnic cleansing, but that he wants to steal their land himself and turn it into some kind of play thing, some real estate opportunity. How dare he. How fucking dare he.

After all they've been through.

I can't stand the evil psychopathic monster.

Honestly I hate the man.

As if Netenyahu wasn't bad enough.

Evil greedy men with power make me feel sick to my stomach. Where the fuck is his humanity. Where?

Yep. I have to wholeheartedly agree with you. I’m American.

Trifecta · 13/02/2025 04:20

XWKD · 12/02/2025 23:47

Trump is a cunt.

A straightforward answer in four simple words.

Justsayit123 · 13/02/2025 04:23

He’s doing a lot more for America than starmer is doing for the UK.

ThePearlBee · 13/02/2025 04:39

OP, are you three, to think Trump's idiot ramblings will solve anything?
Do you think taking away someone's country will PREVENT wars in the future?

The roots of this conflict go back generations. Far finer minds than his have worked on it.

If you support racist policies, @Theemeperorsnewclothes, you're being racist.

You cannot END wars, as you put it, by sweeping players off the board and yelling "stop it you guys!" He is a baby. A stupid, offensive, man-baby, playing games with people's real lives, and I cannot believe there is anyone left who would vote for him but I guess there's no cure for stupid.

Do you think the warmonger who will not rule out military action to acquire Greenland, and says he wants to annex Canada, is a peaceable man? Why don't you look at what he does, not what he says?

God I hope you're a bot.

ThePearlBee · 13/02/2025 04:40

@Valeriekat what does he do that is NOT consistent with being a bloody psychopath???

ThePearlBee · 13/02/2025 04:42

"Do they teach not being a weirdo in ** world?"

With snappy comebacks like that, I'm amazed you haven't ended all world conflicts yourself, OP.

sadmillenial · 13/02/2025 04:46

i know that "simple solutions" can make some people feel comforted, so the idea that Trump says Palestinians should be absorbed into other nations and then Palestine redeveloped with have some people saying "oh thank goodness, someone with a plan!" he's solved the crisis through strength and decisiveness....
But we have already seen the ramifications of "simple solutions" with straight line borders of African nations drawn up. It doesnt work - it might feel comfortable to outsiders, but it has very real consequences for people living in those places that lead to conflict for years/decades afterwards.
Difficult conversations, nuance. dialogue and compromise is way more difficult but ultimately is the only way to move forward.

Trump offers "simple solutions" to complex problems and has no capacity to empathise with any of the issues. He isnt the leader we need. He's a temporary sticking plaster that allows people to abdicate any responsibility to learn from or listen to other voices. He's the worst example of ignorance and arrogance.

LandSharksAnonymous · 13/02/2025 05:25

What I find staggering is the number of people on this thread being nasty about trump who are sympathetic towards Hamas on other threads.

Trump may be unpleasant - but he’s not a terrorist.

World really is a bonkers place.

tamade · 13/02/2025 05:39

SapphOhNo · 12/02/2025 23:37

He's brokering deals that mean Ukraine will have to give up land to Russian invaders and Palestinians leave Gaza.

Anyone could have done that... they are unconscionable deals.

At least wrt Ukraine, yes that is no doubt going to be an aspect of the deal. But how did it come to that? Russia took on those regions after the first negotiations broke down, if the deal had not been thrown out those lands would still be Ukranian (maybe with some sort of devolution).
I also think that the war was avoidable so at least two missed opportunities.
The more the fighting goes on the worse it will get for Ukraine, the more people and land they will lose, I don't think it is worth it just to try to weaken Russia strategically (although it may have distracted them sufficiently that they took their eye off the ball in Syria where they lost out bigly)

sugarspiceandeverythingnice12 · 13/02/2025 05:46

LandSharksAnonymous · 13/02/2025 05:25

What I find staggering is the number of people on this thread being nasty about trump who are sympathetic towards Hamas on other threads.

Trump may be unpleasant - but he’s not a terrorist.

World really is a bonkers place.

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Apparently "all hell is going to break loose" at 12 noon on Saturday if Trump doesn't get what he wants

""Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims""

🙄

sadmillenial · 13/02/2025 05:59

LandSharksAnonymous · 13/02/2025 05:25

What I find staggering is the number of people on this thread being nasty about trump who are sympathetic towards Hamas on other threads.

Trump may be unpleasant - but he’s not a terrorist.

World really is a bonkers place.

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trump is unpleasant, yes, and he's not a terrorist. Hamas are not an organisation i would ever back, and never condone or excuse the attack on civilians on Oct 7th. They are terrorists.

I absolutely despise Trump because i feel that he is a selfish grifter, weaponising the religious right for his own benefit while not believing (or even caring?) about lots of issues. I think he enjoys power for its own sake and has no vision or philosophy to serve people who vote for him. Pure and simple, i think he's the worst example of human weakness. he is a vacuum of empathy, and has no interest in learning about things before speaking.

so the way people speak about him vs how they speak about a terrorist group like Hamas, or RFU, or NLA etc is so different because there are actual histories/ideologies/events/conflicts etc that are important to that group and their aims. e.g you cant discuss Al-Queda without having some idea of the Soviet-Afghan war. So you will often see people having a broader view when discussing these groups, because sometimes there is a genuine historical and political injustice that has led to the emergence of a terrorist group that does deserve discussion and reflection

Not true of Donald Trump. He has no point of view. he has no principles. He can be bought. He has no respect for people that arent like him. Thats why people hate him, and thats why they go in harder when they talk about him.
Its not a like for like comparison, its just because there's literally no reason for him to be such a hateful wanker and yet he is anyway.