To think Trump might be the right Leader for right now?

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I am so confused why I am starting to think that Trump might be a good thing right now. I do think he is making the right moves to end conflict right now, which of course can only be a good thing for the poor people suffering in war zones but I’m so conflicted. I was trying to search for why I felt this way and what past war and future war situations might mean with Trump at the helm. Below are notes to myself. I know you educated, worldly wise mums will absolutely be able to educate on what I am missing. I am genuinely interested to hear your perspectives.

Why do wars start?
War is caused by many different things, including competition over land, religious conflicts, and nationalism. Imperialism, racism, and slavery have also been causes of armed conflict.
Why do wars end?
Realistically, wars usually end when one side wins or the parties experience significant war weariness. Thus, World War I was only a temporary end-of-war because there was no clear-cut victory.
We need to put an end to why wars start, not why wars end. Too much devastation and destruction and loss of life when a war starts. In this case, like the war in Gaza there has been no clear “winner” there has been constant and significant “war weariness” but some other country/political party/religious group steps in. However, there is still never a “clear-cut victory”
Tackle the issues that START wars and not STOP wars in the first place. A true leader will make their priority tackling all the issues that start wars. Trump needs to prove himself in this approach.
That said, we are in a very volatile world and ENDING wars is the first priority. Trump appears to have that in his sights. I say this as far left viewer of the world, as opposed to the right take on the world, as it is today.
I don’t care if you are left or right or somewhere in between. War must end now and we must have a leader who can figure out how to stop it happening again. The end. The Leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place, is the one who can save humanity. Right now, we need the wars to end, and like it or not, that is the position we find ourselves in, and that’s why, I currently think it might be Trump.

Anyone have any idea who is the leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place? I’m thinking they would need to be free from corruption and probably not an egotistical, power hungry male.

End of my rant 😁.

@Whoarethoseguys there is always someone else to blame when it comes to Europe.

Why is Europe in more danger?
Obama was telling Europe to wake up back in 2016 and bump up budgets and get a good military defence.

It's embarrassing that a huge land mass seems so needy and pathetic that it's scared of Russia, seemingly but can't organise itself even with the eu ties to coordinate and do something about it in a proactive way.

It's brilliant they have announced a new package for Ukraine but it feels reactive.
Much more powerful to be able to trot out numbers and we have done this and that and we can expect this armoury and those weapons and this amount of soldiers and that spending.
It feels so weak.
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Like China (massive strings attached to any foreign investment), but less well run and less stable.

Europe did do something about defence. Most of the countries signed up to NATO many years ago. The possibility that the USA would elect a fascist nutter as president who would renege on Treaties wasn't considered. It is now.

Not convinced that there aren’t bots on this thread, but anyway.

Imagine a serious leader who wanted to strike a peace deal with Russia over Ukraine, but who had the emotional intelligence to recognise that Russians have kidnapped approx 20,000 Ukranian children, bombed indiscriminately for 3 years, committed multiple incidences of rape - including a baby and a 78 year old man, committed torture including castration, chopping toes and heels off and beheading, forcing youths from occupied territories to fight against Ukraine, and all the many, many other war crimes.

Would any responsible leader, against that back drop, start negotiations by saying yeah, no problem, you can have the (stolen) annexed land, NATO is off the table, and we’re stepping back from providing military support? Would they fuck!

And would any responsible leader bribe and blackmail for resources from a country that is fighting for survival? Of course not, it’s obscene.

And then would a good leader go on the attack of Zelensky and other ally leaders? No.

At best he’s trying to do a deal, any deal, to fulfil his ridiculous election pledge. At worst he’s in Putin’s pocket. All I know is that Ukraine need and deserve our full support.

I'd say, in order of likelihood:

Most likely - Trump is, indeed, compromised by Putin (I've not always thought this, but the meekness in how he deals with Putin - including reading that Kremlin note as if he were a hostage) is startling.

Second - Trump is a tyrant, and trying to use the situation to blackmail Ukraine for the US's gain (minerals) - in the same manner he has his eyes on Canada and Greendland. He things flexing the US's military might, at the expense of alliances, is best for the US.

Third - Trump dislikes Zelenski so is punishing Ukraine out of spite.

Forth - He's so thick and disinterested in international affairs that he doesn't know what he's doing.

Fifth - He's trying to get a peace deal, without much regard to what the terms of it are, for the sake of meeting his pledge.

Sixth (and not vaguely possible) - He's believes he is doing the right thing.....

I appreciate that they aren't all mutually exclusive.

All of the above except 6....

A rapist narcissistic psychopath bigot is never the answer- cop on to yourself

Seventh - (and given his egomania, perhaps the most important) he wants the Nobel Peace prize. Which would be sickening.

Does he seriously think he will get the Nobel peace prize by invading Canada? If so he must have bribed the judges...

It seems to me, we now have a world where the choices are to ally with China or the Mob, or be chewed up and spat out by one or the other in any event.

Uk comedian - you need to watch until the end!

https://x.com/calltoactivism/status/1893824175082483842?s=46&t=7uZ5GLraCHnmbl4o9C79gA

😅

Love Jack Whitehall

Are we close to the end of the war with Russia and Ukraine?

This is the weirdest thread ever.

If Trump really was going to "play a blinder" he'd have got Putin to withdraw, not told the invaded country to accept defeat and be grateful about it.

I honestly wonder what goes through some people's minds.

Well this didn't age well ...

Not going to comment on Ukraine because I've done that on other threads. However DH is American. I've done a lot of study on the founding of the country, the history, the mindset of multiple states and groups within the US in order to understand his family and their context.

Yesterday was appalling. It appears we are watching a bloodless coup take place in the US, with the separation of powers and deliberate enshrined restriction of the President's position being dismantled and cheered while doing so. It is well within the realms of possibility that we are witnessing a major realignment of world powers and the end of the US as a free nation. DH wanted to vomit with the cheering of a president without need of the legislature ...

So no. Trump is absolutely 100% not the right leader for the time. Especially when - you say he would avoid wars - he is deliberately taking us closer to several, comfortable in the knowledge they have nukes available to use as they wish. This is hurting real people in real time - for what? A new King, apparently.

My only hope is there are multiple ways this could play out and there are off ramps still available to walk it back. But I suspect not until Trump is out of power. Let's just hope the person after him is not an extremist or nutjob because the precedents being set are very, very dangerous.

This.
Nothing will be gained by continuing the war. Russia has already won.
Zelensky knows that when the war is over he will be voted out. He has no bargaining points.
Utterly arrogant to loftily offer to stand down in Ukraine is invited into NATO! That would trigger WW3 - won’t happen - if he actually believes in his offer he is the deluded one.
If anyone actually listens to the whole of the meeting in the Oval Office, rather than just the BBC ‘highlights’ - Trump was being courteous to Zelensky, then in the guise ‘asking JDV a question’ Zelensky gave a speech about 2014 /hardly useful for moving the situation on in 2025, but just grandstanding.

One way bots and trolls like to work is by asking faux-naïf ‘just asking’, ‘just want to educate myself’ questions.

Agree @Okaygoahead , no need to throw our tastiest fish to the sealions.

Won! Even

You entirely failed to address the points in my post.
lLabelling posters as ‘bots’ hardly advances debate.

Your points? I'm not sure there are reasoned arguments in your post but

1. Nothing to be gained by continuing the war, Russia has won.

I disagree. Letting Russia win will mean that the rest of Europe is at risk. Putin himself has said that he's interested in "re uniting" the Eastern Block. He's actually admitted to that. Think about what that means; Poland, Slovakia, Czech Republic. If Ukraine doesn't stand, these countries are next. This will be a much much bigger problem for the rest of Europe. I don't want my children to have to fight, so I'm really keen on helping now as much as possible.

Russia is not in a very strong position. The war wouldn't have gone on for so long if they were. The US was crucial to Ukraine resistance and Putin's asset in the WH has sorted this threat. But make no mistake, as Macron said , this is a massive problem for Europe and unlike Ww2, we cannot rely on the US. It absolutely can end up as ww3. Even your comrade Krasnov/Trump said this.

1. Arrogant, lofty , Trump courteous....all these things are just your view. And are frankly irrelevant.

The US are meant to be leaders of the free world. If I had a grievance at work, my line manager would be hauled over the coals for speaking to me like that. It was shocking.

" You didn't say thank you"!!, God help me, he said thank you a minimum of 33 publically recorded times. Giggling about him not wearing a suit.... really!!! Are we in year 7?!

Look, Trump sides with Russia. He's made no secret of that. This shocking display was just to create an illusion that has a reason for the MAGA base who have grown up with the same Russian James' Bond villains that I have. So, they need a reason.

Just think about the enormity of the US siding with Russia. Russia has been the supreme meddler in Western politics.

We need to support Zelensky, not because he's grateful, or a good bloke, or a bad bloke , or wearing a Marx brother's outfit. We need to help Ukraine fight to protect our own interests and the interests of Europe. Our biggest trading partner.

Hth your thinking.

🤣Russia would never have invaded Ukraine if Ukraine had been part of NATO. What the US is doing is enabling WW3, because Russia has made it clear it isn’t only Ukraine it thinks should actually be part of Russia, and now the US is clearly signalling a green light for subsequent invasions, with Trump’s support. He isn’t minded to stay in NATO, after all.

I don't even know where to start with this load of rubbish.

Until Trump switched sides, Russias illegal 3 day invasion of a sovereign nation was going so well, they were still fighting 3 years later. Ukraine are still holding ground for now despite Trumps treachery.

Zelensky doesn't strike me as a man who wants to stay in power any longer than he needs to. He wants security for his country, there is nothing arrogant about that.

I've seen the full video, you are talking rubbish. Trump and Vance set him up using classic bullying, really bad management tactics. Zelensky held his nerve and held his ground remarkably. He showed his extraordinary courage in that meeting.

Trump has moved the world closer to a war footing by his pathetic costing up to Putin. He is a coward who would rather take the easy road to hell than tread the more difficult path to prosperity.

Trump has stopped providing arms to Ukraine because that, in his opinion, won’t bring about peace but he continues to support and supply Israel?