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To think Trump might be the right Leader for right now?

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Theemeperorsnewclothes · 12/02/2025 23:25

I am so confused why I am starting to think that Trump might be a good thing right now. I do think he is making the right moves to end conflict right now, which of course can only be a good thing for the poor people suffering in war zones but I’m so conflicted. I was trying to search for why I felt this way and what past war and future war situations might mean with Trump at the helm. Below are notes to myself. I know you educated, worldly wise mums will absolutely be able to educate on what I am missing. I am genuinely interested to hear your perspectives.

Why do wars start?
War is caused by many different things, including competition over land, religious conflicts, and nationalism. Imperialism, racism, and slavery have also been causes of armed conflict.
Why do wars end?
Realistically, wars usually end when one side wins or the parties experience significant war weariness. Thus, World War I was only a temporary end-of-war because there was no clear-cut victory.
We need to put an end to why wars start, not why wars end. Too much devastation and destruction and loss of life when a war starts. In this case, like the war in Gaza there has been no clear “winner” there has been constant and significant “war weariness” but some other country/political party/religious group steps in. However, there is still never a “clear-cut victory”
Tackle the issues that START wars and not STOP wars in the first place. A true leader will make their priority tackling all the issues that start wars. Trump needs to prove himself in this approach.
That said, we are in a very volatile world and ENDING wars is the first priority. Trump appears to have that in his sights. I say this as far left viewer of the world, as opposed to the right take on the world, as it is today.
I don’t care if you are left or right or somewhere in between. War must end now and we must have a leader who can figure out how to stop it happening again. The end. The Leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place, is the one who can save humanity. Right now, we need the wars to end, and like it or not, that is the position we find ourselves in, and that’s why, I currently think it might be Trump.

Anyone have any idea who is the leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place? I’m thinking they would need to be free from corruption and probably not an egotistical, power hungry male.

End of my rant 😁.

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Pokadotspink · 19/02/2025 23:47

HaveYouTrumped · 19/02/2025 23:47

"@Pokadotspink the guardian lies but in the vein of communists usually by" ommission"

then they may miss bits out but that does not make it a lie,

Pokadotspink · 19/02/2025 23:49

wholettheturnipsburn · 19/02/2025 23:23

10 years ago.

Under Yanukovich.

The one who ran away to Russia

You'll need to try a bit harder

so because they got a new leader suddenly all the corruption stopped ?

HaveYouTrumped · 19/02/2025 23:49

omission is the greatest lie

RafaistheKingofClay · 19/02/2025 23:51

Crikeyalmighty · 19/02/2025 23:35

I doubt USA would be quite so keen on just capitulating if it was the USA that had been invaded - I mean Putin might think why not just go after Finland or Latvia- what's Trumps response then - 'hey, just have it ' - ??

Finland and Latvia are both in NATO so I don’t think Putin would try that.

It’ll be a further incursion into Ukraine and I’d be wary if I was Moldova too. A no d I’d imagine the response will be ‘yeah you might as well have that bit too.’

TooBigForMyBoots · 19/02/2025 23:56

Anyway, thanks everyone for your input. I genuinely try to make informed decisions from every response and challenge myself on wrongly held beliefs.

Thanks for the thread @Theemeperorsnewclothes.Thanks This past few weeks have been a whirlwind and it's been interesting to see a thread expand and evolve with what we have learnt over that time.

It's also been pretty civilised considering this is AIBU.Grin

Pokadotspink · 19/02/2025 23:57

TooBigForMyBoots · 19/02/2025 23:56

Anyway, thanks everyone for your input. I genuinely try to make informed decisions from every response and challenge myself on wrongly held beliefs.

Thanks for the thread @Theemeperorsnewclothes.Thanks This past few weeks have been a whirlwind and it's been interesting to see a thread expand and evolve with what we have learnt over that time.

It's also been pretty civilised considering this is AIBU.Grin

ill agree on that, thankfully it has been good spirited debates

Pokadotspink · 19/02/2025 23:59

everyone should do a homework project and fully study the current political situation with trump and Putin then afterwards come back to the thread for a proper informed debate

Llttledrummergirl · 20/02/2025 00:15

HaveYouTrumped · 19/02/2025 23:45

@littledrummergirl
No unfortunately Ukraine was corrupt, very corrupt.

Bigly corrupt?

The article was from before Zelensky was elected, he was elected on an anti corruption platform.

The lie is the disingenuous attempt to imply it's more recent.

Aria999 · 20/02/2025 00:32

SassK · 19/02/2025 23:42

Trump is doing what he was, essentially, elected for - putting the interests and opportunities of the American people first.

The world and all it's complexity will always present us with heart and head scenarios. However. There will be plenty of people in the UK (people who are struggling to pay for a week's groceries, and looking at our piss poor, and declining, public 'services'), and people in Europe too, looking on enviously at the unabashed pro America manner of Trump's leadership.

I don't think he really is. He's an isolationist but it's not really in American interests to have no allies that trust us and limited influence over foreign affairs.

Trump is all about the short term and I think doesn't seem to understand the idea of American soft power.

And at home his team of cronies is making a mess of a lot of important things.

Aria999 · 20/02/2025 00:35

Also we appear to be about to have a toxic combination of tariffs and tax cuts so paying for groceries (already a hot topic with the American public) is probably going to get harder as inflation ramps up again.

Aria999 · 20/02/2025 00:38

HaveYouTrumped · 19/02/2025 23:49

omission is the greatest lie

Not really.

Trump still claiming he won the 2020 election is a bigger one.

wholettheturnipsburn · 20/02/2025 00:56

@Pokadotspink It wasn't because they got a new leader that corruption stopped.

It was the type of change of leader that started them addressing the legacy corruption from Russian influence

Coolasfeck · 20/02/2025 06:50

SassK · 19/02/2025 23:42

Trump is doing what he was, essentially, elected for - putting the interests and opportunities of the American people first.

The world and all it's complexity will always present us with heart and head scenarios. However. There will be plenty of people in the UK (people who are struggling to pay for a week's groceries, and looking at our piss poor, and declining, public 'services'), and people in Europe too, looking on enviously at the unabashed pro America manner of Trump's leadership.

Standing up for Americans?

Gutting federal agencies that protect ordinary citizens including sacking air traffic controllers (would not want to be flying in US airspace).

Starting trade wars which cause inflation and push up the price of goods.

Turning US into an international joke, rogue state and pariah in the eyes of former allies, making it harder for ever American abroad.

Allowing Musk access (which he’s probably copied) to the personal tax and bank data of every American taxpayer through the Treasury. The same Musk who treats his workers and mothers of his kids like shit and treats his kids like collectibles is expected to be working for the good of strangers?

Trust me when I say the world is looking on in horror at the self inflicted harm America is doing to itself. It’s certainly not envy.

Crikeyalmighty · 20/02/2025 12:39

@Coolasfeck indeed- having lived in Denmark, they very much are Denmark for the Danes and put their interests first but still manage to do it by understanding international standards, making sure public services are funded and not undermined and not generally making total arses of themselves in international diplomacy .

TopPocketFind · 20/02/2025 13:26

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-said-interview-elon-musk-163833866.html

Trump said in an interview with Elon Musk that he wouldn't touch Medicaid. Hours later he endorsed a GOP plan that could slash the program.

username299 · 20/02/2025 13:28

TopPocketFind · 20/02/2025 13:26

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-said-interview-elon-musk-163833866.html

Trump said in an interview with Elon Musk that he wouldn't touch Medicaid. Hours later he endorsed a GOP plan that could slash the program.

Yeah, Trump said whatever it took to get elected. In his acceptance speech he promised to fix everything wrong with America. Trump tells lies.

Pokadotspink · 20/02/2025 13:38

username299 · 20/02/2025 13:28

Yeah, Trump said whatever it took to get elected. In his acceptance speech he promised to fix everything wrong with America. Trump tells lies.

not quite as In his 2025, inaugural speech, Trump outlined an his agenda focusing on immigration reform, economic policies, and a reevaluation of foreign alliances, he did not literally claim he would fix everything wrong just what he opercieved as the nation's main issues

username299 · 20/02/2025 14:06

Pokadotspink · 20/02/2025 13:38

not quite as In his 2025, inaugural speech, Trump outlined an his agenda focusing on immigration reform, economic policies, and a reevaluation of foreign alliances, he did not literally claim he would fix everything wrong just what he opercieved as the nation's main issues

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He said in his victory speech:

we're going to fix everything about our country and we've made history for a reason tonight, and the reason is going to be just that.

Pokadotspink · 20/02/2025 15:17

username299 · 20/02/2025 14:06

He said in his victory speech:

we're going to fix everything about our country and we've made history for a reason tonight, and the reason is going to be just that.

but then thats saying words without any details as in fix what exactly, how does he define what needs fixing, have people assumed what they think needs fixing vs what trump said bout fixing, that statement gives lots of interpretation and yet still sounds good, its like me saying im going to fix the whole car, the public could know what parts are wrong but if trump does not agree with those parts needing fixing then in his view hes not lying

username299 · 20/02/2025 15:26

Pokadotspink · 20/02/2025 15:17

but then thats saying words without any details as in fix what exactly, how does he define what needs fixing, have people assumed what they think needs fixing vs what trump said bout fixing, that statement gives lots of interpretation and yet still sounds good, its like me saying im going to fix the whole car, the public could know what parts are wrong but if trump does not agree with those parts needing fixing then in his view hes not lying

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My interpretation is that he's telling people what they want to hear. You're aware what 'everything' means right? No one has the capacity to fix everything, therefore it's a lie.

Pokadotspink · 20/02/2025 15:34

username299 · 20/02/2025 15:26

My interpretation is that he's telling people what they want to hear. You're aware what 'everything' means right? No one has the capacity to fix everything, therefore it's a lie.

from my oxford studies first we have to define what trump means by
1, Fix – To repair, correct, or improve something that is perceived as broken or faulty. However, "fix" is subjective because what one person sees as a problem, another may not. 2, Everything – A totalizing word meaning all aspects or components of something. But in political speech, "everything" is rarely literal and often rhetorical. 3 Our Country – This could mean the government, economy, culture, infrastructure, or a mix of all. Without a definition from trump , the audience projects their own interpretation. then in summary Trump’s statement is an effective rhetorical strategy because it: Sounds decisive without committing to specifics. Allows for broad interpretation, letting supporters project their own concerns. Avoids accountability by not defining what “fixing” entails.

username299 · 20/02/2025 15:36

Pokadotspink · 20/02/2025 15:34

from my oxford studies first we have to define what trump means by
1, Fix – To repair, correct, or improve something that is perceived as broken or faulty. However, "fix" is subjective because what one person sees as a problem, another may not. 2, Everything – A totalizing word meaning all aspects or components of something. But in political speech, "everything" is rarely literal and often rhetorical. 3 Our Country – This could mean the government, economy, culture, infrastructure, or a mix of all. Without a definition from trump , the audience projects their own interpretation. then in summary Trump’s statement is an effective rhetorical strategy because it: Sounds decisive without committing to specifics. Allows for broad interpretation, letting supporters project their own concerns. Avoids accountability by not defining what “fixing” entails.

Avoids accountability by not defining what “fixing” entails.

Exactly. It's nonsense - look that up too.

Pokadotspink · 20/02/2025 15:37

username299 · 20/02/2025 15:36

Avoids accountability by not defining what “fixing” entails.

Exactly. It's nonsense - look that up too.

i get its hollow words but i wouldent say its lies, its more word salad in my view

username299 · 20/02/2025 15:41

Pokadotspink · 20/02/2025 15:37

i get its hollow words but i wouldent say its lies, its more word salad in my view

It's a lie. It's impossible to fix everything and you're perfectly aware of that. Trump tells lies.