To think Trump might be the right Leader for right now?

[Theemeperorsnewclothes]

I am so confused why I am starting to think that Trump might be a good thing right now. I do think he is making the right moves to end conflict right now, which of course can only be a good thing for the poor people suffering in war zones but I’m so conflicted. I was trying to search for why I felt this way and what past war and future war situations might mean with Trump at the helm. Below are notes to myself. I know you educated, worldly wise mums will absolutely be able to educate on what I am missing. I am genuinely interested to hear your perspectives.

Why do wars start?
War is caused by many different things, including competition over land, religious conflicts, and nationalism. Imperialism, racism, and slavery have also been causes of armed conflict.
Why do wars end?
Realistically, wars usually end when one side wins or the parties experience significant war weariness. Thus, World War I was only a temporary end-of-war because there was no clear-cut victory.
We need to put an end to why wars start, not why wars end. Too much devastation and destruction and loss of life when a war starts. In this case, like the war in Gaza there has been no clear “winner” there has been constant and significant “war weariness” but some other country/political party/religious group steps in. However, there is still never a “clear-cut victory”
Tackle the issues that START wars and not STOP wars in the first place. A true leader will make their priority tackling all the issues that start wars. Trump needs to prove himself in this approach.
That said, we are in a very volatile world and ENDING wars is the first priority. Trump appears to have that in his sights. I say this as far left viewer of the world, as opposed to the right take on the world, as it is today.
I don’t care if you are left or right or somewhere in between. War must end now and we must have a leader who can figure out how to stop it happening again. The end. The Leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place, is the one who can save humanity. Right now, we need the wars to end, and like it or not, that is the position we find ourselves in, and that’s why, I currently think it might be Trump.

Anyone have any idea who is the leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place? I’m thinking they would need to be free from corruption and probably not an egotistical, power hungry male.

End of my rant 😁.

I think Trump has pulled another TRUMP card.

His Twitter rant about Zelenskyy is so outrageous that I can’t believe Zelenskyy didn’t know about and is in on it.

Zelenskyy will never win this war without $billions more in US help and it WILL go in for another 5 years minimum. Trump wants to balance his budget, and as a businessman first and foremost, his business country making a profit is his main aim. Putin will never accept losing so Trump has given him a ‘win’ and Zelenskyy can take the humiliation, call an election, stand down and go off into the sunset with whatever he’s been offered. In 10 years or so it will be forgotten about.

Hopefully a win for Ukrainians in that there will be no more killing, Putin agreed to rebuild, and they get a new leader who will keep the peace.

It’s the same as the Gaza threat to get Arab countries to step in and take in the Palestinians.

I actually think Trump getting close to Putin and building an ally relationship is a good thing and could be a total game changer for world peace. Russia has always been the baddie to the US. Playground psychology - bully wants to play with and be liked by the other children but doesn’t know how to do it nicely, so hurts them, children ostracise him even more, he gets meaner cos he just wants to be friends and play with the cool kids! In business terms the benefit is favourable trading terms. Trump doesn’t need lefty, liberal Europe, which is sleepwalking into becoming a Muslim celiphate, if he has Russia and China.

He’s actually doing the best for his country like all leaders should. Hopefully he wants to leave a lasting legacy that he brought peace to the world as a bonus, he’s egotistical enough and he’s had and done everything else.

Go Trump!

Zelenskyy was elected on an anti-corruption ticket actually. It's work in progress. But the war, a "great little earner"? What kind of sick comment is that? No one does corruption like Russia btw. Although Trump seems interested... He just wants to make money out of the "deal", such a sad twat.

@Theemeperorsnewclothes

"However this “orange psychopath” appears to be brokering peace deals for now"

The orange psychopath is 'brokering' the defeat of Ukraine and a victory for Putin.

He's proposing the ethnic cleansing of Gaza.

And you're presenting this as evidence of his skill in negotiating peace.

What the fuck is wrong with you? The world's gone mad.

"His Twitter rant about Zelenskyy is so outrageous that I can’t believe Zelenskyy didn’t know about and is in on it."

Are you high?

@ubereater

Bravo 👏

Such an interesting post. I’m not on Twitter, I hate social media but your post gives me the knowledge to probe further. I don’t feel the need to attack you or bring you down for giving me that information. Thanks.

wars generate profits, military industrial complex, then stock markets in arms companies, then companies making and selling the equipment, all adds up to profits being made from the war,

then there was the film lord of war ?

Russia has always been the baddie to the US.

No it hasn't.

Even as someone relatively sympathetic to Israel, people callously cheering on the ethnic cleansing of Palestine is sickening.

@UberEater

Hard at work puffing Trump propaganda on mumsnet I see.

Out of interest, have you read Project 2025?

And that is a fair comment, without the need to attack any individual for their opposing point of view. It is food for thought for everyone on this thread.

WTAF! Where have I done that?

Nuts!

basically nothing more than a hypothecial of what could be planned and achieved as it was created by an American conservative think tank and quote

"Project 2025 is based on a controversial interpretation of the unitary executive theory that states that the entire executive branch is under the complete control of the president"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project2025

so in summary project 2025 the stuff of conspiracies' and tin foil hats

Nope, hate Trump, think he’s a sociopathic narcissist, but I think he might actually do some good in stopping wars.

Wars are not good for business and waste a LOT of money.

Benefit of no wars is people don’t get killed in them.

* "wars generate profits, military industrial complex, then stock markets in arms companies, then companies making and selling the equipment, all adds up to profits being made from the war,* "
I know. Everybody knows ffs.
But it's irrelevant as to why Ukraine is engaged in this war.
Obviously Ukraine want peace. Everyone was hoping Trump may be able to brocker it... even in Ukraine... Instead he's insulting Zelenskyy, lying, and trying to share the spoils with Russia... You can try to spin it however you want, I'm quite sure most people can see he's just deranged and dangerous

@UberEater
"Hopefully a win for Ukrainians in that there will be no more killing"

A win for Ukrainians that vast numbers of them will now be living in a Russian dictatorship and having to kowtow to a dangerous murderer who kidnapped their children and destroyed their schools and hospitals?

Have you always been completely amoral, or has your enthusiasm for Trump done something disastrous to your moral compass?

Trump also has bigger balls than most world leaders as I don’t think he’s bought by anyone and he really doesn’t care. He can go back to playing golf at Mar A Lago.

"Nope, hate Trump, think he’s a sociopathic narcissist, but I think he might actually do some good in stopping wars."

So do you think we'd all have been better off just having capitulated to Hitler?

UberEater you're living in a fantasy land. Trump obviously has some connection to Russia and his behaviour over Ukraine, Gaza, Canada, Greenland and his own people is just appalling. This is going to lead to disaster.

i love the over confidence you have in your analysis

What sort of ridiculousness is this?

The west doesn't need Trump. Americans don't need Trump. Putin needs Trump, that's why he's been funding the American Right.

You say you don't support Trump - who are you trying to fool?

You call it 'brave'. Everyone with a moral compass calls it 'amorality', 'narcissism', 'cruelty', and 'recklessness'.

Quark solves the problem of War with Economics

In your post, that I quoted.

The Palestinian people, overwhelmingly, do not want to be forced out of the Gaza strip, the systematic and forced removal of them would be the dictionary definition of ethnic cleansing, and you are cheering it on ("Go Trump").

In what way are you not supporting ethnic cleansing?

then America pulls out of Ukraine / peace talks and let Europe take over the talks or military action and how far do people think we would get then ?