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To think Trump might be the right Leader for right now?

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Theemeperorsnewclothes · 12/02/2025 23:25

I am so confused why I am starting to think that Trump might be a good thing right now. I do think he is making the right moves to end conflict right now, which of course can only be a good thing for the poor people suffering in war zones but I’m so conflicted. I was trying to search for why I felt this way and what past war and future war situations might mean with Trump at the helm. Below are notes to myself. I know you educated, worldly wise mums will absolutely be able to educate on what I am missing. I am genuinely interested to hear your perspectives.

Why do wars start?
War is caused by many different things, including competition over land, religious conflicts, and nationalism. Imperialism, racism, and slavery have also been causes of armed conflict.
Why do wars end?
Realistically, wars usually end when one side wins or the parties experience significant war weariness. Thus, World War I was only a temporary end-of-war because there was no clear-cut victory.
We need to put an end to why wars start, not why wars end. Too much devastation and destruction and loss of life when a war starts. In this case, like the war in Gaza there has been no clear “winner” there has been constant and significant “war weariness” but some other country/political party/religious group steps in. However, there is still never a “clear-cut victory”
Tackle the issues that START wars and not STOP wars in the first place. A true leader will make their priority tackling all the issues that start wars. Trump needs to prove himself in this approach.
That said, we are in a very volatile world and ENDING wars is the first priority. Trump appears to have that in his sights. I say this as far left viewer of the world, as opposed to the right take on the world, as it is today.
I don’t care if you are left or right or somewhere in between. War must end now and we must have a leader who can figure out how to stop it happening again. The end. The Leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place, is the one who can save humanity. Right now, we need the wars to end, and like it or not, that is the position we find ourselves in, and that’s why, I currently think it might be Trump.

Anyone have any idea who is the leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place? I’m thinking they would need to be free from corruption and probably not an egotistical, power hungry male.

End of my rant 😁.

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OneLemonDog · 19/02/2025 21:32

Aria999 · 19/02/2025 21:14

This I agree with. I wish European countries had taken 2016 as a wake up call and used the Biden years to arm themselves more effectively.

Yup.

I do think increased defence spending might have been a difficult sell to voters, given the pandemic and CoL crisis, coupled with people's inability to accept that Trump might actually mean his threats. Ultimately, though, Europe has had warning and I'm sure, with hindsight, wishes that it had acted far sooner.

Pre-2016 I was naively in support of nuclear disarmament but u-turned, that year, given Trump's election win. I'm deeply concerned that Europe is now at the mercy of the two biggest powers, in terms of nuclear weapons, who no longer appear adversarial to each other and who now each show hostility to Europe.

A hostile US would always be an extremely daunting enemy, even with adequate preparation, but I fear the whole continent is now very much at Trump's mercy (something he's not known to offer).

Pokadotspink · 19/02/2025 21:32

RafaistheKingofClay · 19/02/2025 21:27

In what way is Putin not fully mobilised for war already?

Implementation of Martial Law

Pokadotspink · 19/02/2025 21:33

so love him or hate him, the world or the west at least needs trump weather they want to admit it or not

Parker231 · 19/02/2025 21:34

Pokadotspink · 19/02/2025 21:33

so love him or hate him, the world or the west at least needs trump weather they want to admit it or not

The world would be safer without him.

Pokadotspink · 19/02/2025 21:35

Parker231 · 19/02/2025 21:34

The world would be safer without him.

good luck with Biden and Putin then

Aria999 · 19/02/2025 21:35

They need the support and alliance of a stable and sane America. Trump is busy ripping that up.

Radyward · 19/02/2025 21:40

Ukraine-, The most corrupt country in Europe when War broke out.
Money is being laundered through it . Great little system going for the elite.
Oh but wait. People are dying .let's keep it going !!! great little earner.
Not my flag.not my problem No one in my family is willing to die for a country that is nor theirs but Keir wants boots on the ground. Send his family first then

Parker231 · 19/02/2025 21:41

Pokadotspink · 19/02/2025 21:35

good luck with Biden and Putin then

And how is the world safer with Trump? He’s meddling in Ukraine, threatening to take over Panama , Greenland and Canada and conduct ethnic cleansing in Gaza. Add in trade tariffs and everything is wonderful 🤣

Parker231 · 19/02/2025 21:42

Radyward · 19/02/2025 21:40

Ukraine-, The most corrupt country in Europe when War broke out.
Money is being laundered through it . Great little system going for the elite.
Oh but wait. People are dying .let's keep it going !!! great little earner.
Not my flag.not my problem No one in my family is willing to die for a country that is nor theirs but Keir wants boots on the ground. Send his family first then

And your evidence?

Pokadotspink · 19/02/2025 21:42

Parker231 · 19/02/2025 21:41

And how is the world safer with Trump? He’s meddling in Ukraine, threatening to take over Panama , Greenland and Canada and conduct ethnic cleansing in Gaza. Add in trade tariffs and everything is wonderful 🤣

what one says and what one does pray tell = certainty ?

Pokadotspink · 19/02/2025 21:44

Parker231 · 19/02/2025 21:42

And your evidence?

Welcome to Ukraine, the most corrupt nation in Europe | Ukraine | The Guardian

Parker231 · 19/02/2025 21:44

Pokadotspink · 19/02/2025 21:42

what one says and what one does pray tell = certainty ?

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To think Trump might be the right Leader for right now?
Pokadotspink · 19/02/2025 21:45

"While the conflict with Russia heats up in the east, life for most Ukrainians is marred by corruption so endemic that even hospitals appear to be infected. Can anyone clean the country up?"

a quote from the guardian article

Parker231 · 19/02/2025 21:46

The article is more than 10 years ago when Ukraine was under a previous regime

Pokadotspink · 19/02/2025 21:46

Parker231 · 19/02/2025 21:44

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yes because its everyone trying to stop trump from doing x,y,z so technically the poster is correct, he makes the promise then others meddle and prevent it

NotTerfNorCis · 19/02/2025 21:46

My point is that Russia won't attack western Europe because it's already struggling to take on Ukraine. Three years and almost no progress. Pathetic.

Parker231 · 19/02/2025 21:47

Pokadotspink · 19/02/2025 21:46

yes because its everyone trying to stop trump from doing x,y,z so technically the poster is correct, he makes the promise then others meddle and prevent it

Do you live in North America?

Pokadotspink · 19/02/2025 21:47

Parker231 · 19/02/2025 21:46

The article is more than 10 years ago when Ukraine was under a previous regime

it still proved the other posters point about it being the most corrupt in Europe and it was at the start of when war was starting to heat up with russia as stated in the article

Pokadotspink · 19/02/2025 21:47

Parker231 · 19/02/2025 21:47

Do you live in North America?

that has no bearing on my debates

Theemeperorsnewclothes · 19/02/2025 21:48

Thanks Trump…You have royally fucked up my votes on mumsnet. Anyway, great debate, interesting points of view. Lots to be learned on both sides.

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izimbra · 19/02/2025 21:50

The level of delusion in the OP is terrifying.

Trump says he intends to end conflict in Ukraine and Gaza.

Your response: 'he's a peace maker'.

Except of course his plan is to ethnically cleanse Gaza of Palestinians. This will in turn result in the destabilisation of the whole of the Middle East as he triggers a refugee crisis in Egypt and Jordan, and possibly the overturn of their governments.

It also appears to be the case that he's going to reward Putin's aggressive expansionism by forcing Ukraine to concede pretty much everything they've been fighting to defend.

Putting out the fire with gasoline.

Pomollo · 19/02/2025 21:50

Theemeperorsnewclothes · 12/02/2025 23:34

I completely understand where you are coming from. However this “orange psychopath” appears to be brokering peace deals for now. But only for now.

Peaceful for who???? The Palestinians????the Ukrainians ????

ffs supporting a genocide is not peaceful supporting a land grab and ethnic cleaning is not peace

Parker231 · 19/02/2025 21:52

Foreign Leader Favourability Ratings amongst British Voters:

🇺🇦 Volodymyr Zelenskyy
Favourable: 64%
Unfavourable: 16%
NET: +48%

🇺🇸 Donald Trump
Favourable: 22%
Unfavourable: 73%
NET: -51%

🇷🇺 Vladimir Putin
Favourable: 4%
Unfavourable: 89%
NET: -85%

Via @YouGov, 16-17 Feb.

Theemeperorsnewclothes · 19/02/2025 21:54

izimbra · 19/02/2025 21:50

The level of delusion in the OP is terrifying.

Trump says he intends to end conflict in Ukraine and Gaza.

Your response: 'he's a peace maker'.

Except of course his plan is to ethnically cleanse Gaza of Palestinians. This will in turn result in the destabilisation of the whole of the Middle East as he triggers a refugee crisis in Egypt and Jordan, and possibly the overturn of their governments.

It also appears to be the case that he's going to reward Putin's aggressive expansionism by forcing Ukraine to concede pretty much everything they've been fighting to defend.

Putting out the fire with gasoline.

As I said, great debate. When you start personal attacks, you lose your point. Mumsnet is a great platform when used wisely. Too many individuals wanting to get out the secondary school bully. Don’t be that bully.

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Pokadotspink · 19/02/2025 21:55

Theemeperorsnewclothes · 19/02/2025 21:54

As I said, great debate. When you start personal attacks, you lose your point. Mumsnet is a great platform when used wisely. Too many individuals wanting to get out the secondary school bully. Don’t be that bully.

very true points, we should be debating and not bullying