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To think Trump might be the right Leader for right now?

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Theemeperorsnewclothes · 12/02/2025 23:25

I am so confused why I am starting to think that Trump might be a good thing right now. I do think he is making the right moves to end conflict right now, which of course can only be a good thing for the poor people suffering in war zones but I’m so conflicted. I was trying to search for why I felt this way and what past war and future war situations might mean with Trump at the helm. Below are notes to myself. I know you educated, worldly wise mums will absolutely be able to educate on what I am missing. I am genuinely interested to hear your perspectives.

Why do wars start?
War is caused by many different things, including competition over land, religious conflicts, and nationalism. Imperialism, racism, and slavery have also been causes of armed conflict.
Why do wars end?
Realistically, wars usually end when one side wins or the parties experience significant war weariness. Thus, World War I was only a temporary end-of-war because there was no clear-cut victory.
We need to put an end to why wars start, not why wars end. Too much devastation and destruction and loss of life when a war starts. In this case, like the war in Gaza there has been no clear “winner” there has been constant and significant “war weariness” but some other country/political party/religious group steps in. However, there is still never a “clear-cut victory”
Tackle the issues that START wars and not STOP wars in the first place. A true leader will make their priority tackling all the issues that start wars. Trump needs to prove himself in this approach.
That said, we are in a very volatile world and ENDING wars is the first priority. Trump appears to have that in his sights. I say this as far left viewer of the world, as opposed to the right take on the world, as it is today.
I don’t care if you are left or right or somewhere in between. War must end now and we must have a leader who can figure out how to stop it happening again. The end. The Leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place, is the one who can save humanity. Right now, we need the wars to end, and like it or not, that is the position we find ourselves in, and that’s why, I currently think it might be Trump.

Anyone have any idea who is the leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place? I’m thinking they would need to be free from corruption and probably not an egotistical, power hungry male.

End of my rant 😁.

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Letsbe · 19/02/2025 20:59

Apparently Ukraine started the war who knew?

Llttledrummergirl · 19/02/2025 21:00

Bit like Poland in 1939. Who'd have known?

Aria999 · 19/02/2025 21:04

Apparently they accidentally fired the people in charge of making sure the nuclear weapons stockpile is secure, because nobody told DOGE that the department of energy mostly doesn't deal with gas bills. 🤦‍♀️😖

And have now hired at least some of them back again thank goodness.

crumblingschools · 19/02/2025 21:06

Trump is brokering peace so he can get his sticky mitts on Ukraine’s minerals

Aria999 · 19/02/2025 21:07

crumblingschools · 19/02/2025 21:06

Trump is brokering peace so he can get his sticky mitts on Ukraine’s minerals

I doubt he is that strategic. I think he's doing it because he sees Putin as a role model and / or because Putin has offered him private wealth.

Pokadotspink · 19/02/2025 21:08

can nato stop putin, if not then trump is the next best hope, unless we bring china into the mix ?

Aria999 · 19/02/2025 21:08

And because he doesn't give a shiny shit about Ukraine's self determination, obviously.

PondWarrior · 19/02/2025 21:09

Theemeperorsnewclothes · 12/02/2025 23:25

I am so confused why I am starting to think that Trump might be a good thing right now. I do think he is making the right moves to end conflict right now, which of course can only be a good thing for the poor people suffering in war zones but I’m so conflicted. I was trying to search for why I felt this way and what past war and future war situations might mean with Trump at the helm. Below are notes to myself. I know you educated, worldly wise mums will absolutely be able to educate on what I am missing. I am genuinely interested to hear your perspectives.

Why do wars start?
War is caused by many different things, including competition over land, religious conflicts, and nationalism. Imperialism, racism, and slavery have also been causes of armed conflict.
Why do wars end?
Realistically, wars usually end when one side wins or the parties experience significant war weariness. Thus, World War I was only a temporary end-of-war because there was no clear-cut victory.
We need to put an end to why wars start, not why wars end. Too much devastation and destruction and loss of life when a war starts. In this case, like the war in Gaza there has been no clear “winner” there has been constant and significant “war weariness” but some other country/political party/religious group steps in. However, there is still never a “clear-cut victory”
Tackle the issues that START wars and not STOP wars in the first place. A true leader will make their priority tackling all the issues that start wars. Trump needs to prove himself in this approach.
That said, we are in a very volatile world and ENDING wars is the first priority. Trump appears to have that in his sights. I say this as far left viewer of the world, as opposed to the right take on the world, as it is today.
I don’t care if you are left or right or somewhere in between. War must end now and we must have a leader who can figure out how to stop it happening again. The end. The Leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place, is the one who can save humanity. Right now, we need the wars to end, and like it or not, that is the position we find ourselves in, and that’s why, I currently think it might be Trump.

Anyone have any idea who is the leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place? I’m thinking they would need to be free from corruption and probably not an egotistical, power hungry male.

End of my rant 😁.

How are you finding this is going? 🙄🙄🙄

RafaistheKingofClay · 19/02/2025 21:13

Pokadotspink · 19/02/2025 21:08

can nato stop putin, if not then trump is the next best hope, unless we bring china into the mix ?

Trump isn’t trying to stop Putin he’s trying to enable him.

Aria999 · 19/02/2025 21:14

Pokadotspink · 19/02/2025 20:51

Eu have been totally ineffective, thats true since they have not increased their nato contributions and defense spending

This I agree with. I wish European countries had taken 2016 as a wake up call and used the Biden years to arm themselves more effectively.

Pokadotspink · 19/02/2025 21:17

RafaistheKingofClay · 19/02/2025 21:13

Trump isn’t trying to stop Putin he’s trying to enable him.

but then it could be debated that trump is the best hope Europe has because if trump decides to withdraw and leave the rest of the world two it, then how can Europe etc survive if Putin goes into full mobilisation for war ?

Aria999 · 19/02/2025 21:17

Also it's not really 'brokering peace' is it, they didn't even invite Ukraine and Europe to talk.

It's more discussing terms for America to sell out Ukraine by withdrawing its support.

Farreleye · 19/02/2025 21:17

Eu have been totally ineffective, thats true since they have not increased their nato contributions and defense spending

Any source for this? Everything I've read shows that defence spending has been rising across Europe. Is this where you're going to incorrectly state the US fund 77% of NATO when it's actually 17%?

Pokadotspink · 19/02/2025 21:18

Aria999 · 19/02/2025 21:17

Also it's not really 'brokering peace' is it, they didn't even invite Ukraine and Europe to talk.

It's more discussing terms for America to sell out Ukraine by withdrawing its support.

true but without the us support, then russia wins by default because nato cannot stop russia

Pokadotspink · 19/02/2025 21:19

Farreleye · 19/02/2025 21:17

Eu have been totally ineffective, thats true since they have not increased their nato contributions and defense spending

Any source for this? Everything I've read shows that defence spending has been rising across Europe. Is this where you're going to incorrectly state the US fund 77% of NATO when it's actually 17%?

i got us funding of nato at 16% according to my figures

Aria999 · 19/02/2025 21:20

Yes indeed. I just thought the specific phrase 'brokering peace' suggested something a bit more consensual, give and take on both sides, etc.

NotTerfNorCis · 19/02/2025 21:21

Pokadotspink · 19/02/2025 21:17

but then it could be debated that trump is the best hope Europe has because if trump decides to withdraw and leave the rest of the world two it, then how can Europe etc survive if Putin goes into full mobilisation for war ?

Russia isn't that strong. Look how little progress they've made against Ukraine. Now imagine them taking on Germany and France. At some point, nukes would fly.

Pokadotspink · 19/02/2025 21:22

NotTerfNorCis · 19/02/2025 21:21

Russia isn't that strong. Look how little progress they've made against Ukraine. Now imagine them taking on Germany and France. At some point, nukes would fly.

only because its been a proxy war with the us supporting them ect the us pulls back then what

Pokadotspink · 19/02/2025 21:23

NotTerfNorCis · 19/02/2025 21:21

Russia isn't that strong. Look how little progress they've made against Ukraine. Now imagine them taking on Germany and France. At some point, nukes would fly.

then germany and france would be blamed for the ones that started the nuclear war by launching and ending modern civilisation as we know it ?

RafaistheKingofClay · 19/02/2025 21:27

Pokadotspink · 19/02/2025 21:17

but then it could be debated that trump is the best hope Europe has because if trump decides to withdraw and leave the rest of the world two it, then how can Europe etc survive if Putin goes into full mobilisation for war ?

In what way is Putin not fully mobilised for war already?

Fifiworks · 19/02/2025 21:27

NotTerfNorCis · 19/02/2025 21:21

Russia isn't that strong. Look how little progress they've made against Ukraine. Now imagine them taking on Germany and France. At some point, nukes would fly.

that is not reassuring. People want to be living their lives normally and making countries better places to live not putting loads of money into war and shattering our comparatively, comfortable, safe lives,

Aria999 · 19/02/2025 21:28

I'm not sure (correct me if I am wrong, someone) that the contribution to NATO budget is really the issue here.

Really what we care about is defense spending; how much it is and how effective it is, I.e. how good would Europe be at defending itself without US support.

Fawful · 19/02/2025 21:29

*its just i dont believe any of the media, because history has shown what we get told via the media etc can be very different to what is the true truth

and its puzzling how the public or some of them read a news article and suddenly they think they are experts on eg trump etc*
Well that's a Russian bot point of view if there ever was one... Not able to say 'Zelenskyy is evil" because it's too easily refutable, the next best thing is to saw doubt about everything that is generally held as true. "Nothing is true but everything is possible" - see the book by that title on that topic...

Pokadotspink · 19/02/2025 21:31

would it be better with nato if all members followed Poland's example and committed more than 4% of its GDP to defense like it did in 2024 ?

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