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To think Trump might be the right Leader for right now?

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Theemeperorsnewclothes · 12/02/2025 23:25

I am so confused why I am starting to think that Trump might be a good thing right now. I do think he is making the right moves to end conflict right now, which of course can only be a good thing for the poor people suffering in war zones but I’m so conflicted. I was trying to search for why I felt this way and what past war and future war situations might mean with Trump at the helm. Below are notes to myself. I know you educated, worldly wise mums will absolutely be able to educate on what I am missing. I am genuinely interested to hear your perspectives.

Why do wars start?
War is caused by many different things, including competition over land, religious conflicts, and nationalism. Imperialism, racism, and slavery have also been causes of armed conflict.
Why do wars end?
Realistically, wars usually end when one side wins or the parties experience significant war weariness. Thus, World War I was only a temporary end-of-war because there was no clear-cut victory.
We need to put an end to why wars start, not why wars end. Too much devastation and destruction and loss of life when a war starts. In this case, like the war in Gaza there has been no clear “winner” there has been constant and significant “war weariness” but some other country/political party/religious group steps in. However, there is still never a “clear-cut victory”
Tackle the issues that START wars and not STOP wars in the first place. A true leader will make their priority tackling all the issues that start wars. Trump needs to prove himself in this approach.
That said, we are in a very volatile world and ENDING wars is the first priority. Trump appears to have that in his sights. I say this as far left viewer of the world, as opposed to the right take on the world, as it is today.
I don’t care if you are left or right or somewhere in between. War must end now and we must have a leader who can figure out how to stop it happening again. The end. The Leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place, is the one who can save humanity. Right now, we need the wars to end, and like it or not, that is the position we find ourselves in, and that’s why, I currently think it might be Trump.

Anyone have any idea who is the leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place? I’m thinking they would need to be free from corruption and probably not an egotistical, power hungry male.

End of my rant 😁.

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MyLimeGuide · 19/02/2025 19:31

Parker231 · 19/02/2025 18:53

He’s planning on taking Panama, Greenland and Canada. You try living in Canada at the moment - we’re only 90 minutes from the US border.

Like I said, he's a nut job, It won't happen.

Llttledrummergirl · 19/02/2025 19:41

3 blind mice is one of my favourite nursery rhymes, chasing the farmers wife who cut off their tails.

Why do these things always come in 3s?

Llttledrummergirl · 19/02/2025 19:43

Radyward · 19/02/2025 18:24

Trump is trying to broker peace while the EU and that crook zelensky sat on their hands for 3 years while billions were spent and more importantly 1000's have died. Dead right this could have been sorted out a few weeks in but oh no that wasn't in Bidens interest. War = big money. Big arms deals. It's disgusting.
Zelensky is a total dictator. Cancelled elections
Has routed political opponents.
Zelensky and his friends have homes all over Europe and even in the palisades.
This is a never ending war which the eu was happy to bank roll forever and send your children to if needed
Omg what planet is Starmer on!
Eu have been totally ineffective and are total lazy fat cats so yes they do not deserve a seat at that table.
As for Hamas disgusting evil individuals who care nothing for the palestinians. So at least Trump is trying to end that too. Jordan and egypt are interested in helping to rebuild as they do not want Anerican boots on gaza.so a peace deal there is a damn sight more close than it ever was !!! Gaza is a mess -virtually uninhabitable . Some Gazan women apparantly are open to living in Turkey. Funny how no one wants to accommodate the gazans. I for one feel sorry for israel with Hamas a few miles away.
Good on trump shaking up the eu and calling out their dross and clapping their own backs and living it up flying to meetings and achieving nothing other than big bills for their citizens to foot!!
Doing nothing while people needlessly die is not OK but it was for the EU elite

Wtf! How thick do you have to be to actually spend time typing this shit.

The maga is strong in this one.

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 19:46

Llttledrummergirl · 19/02/2025 19:43

Wtf! How thick do you have to be to actually spend time typing this shit.

The maga is strong in this one.

so rather than engaging in democracy and political debates to counter the information instead you resort to name calling and bullying, proper class

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 19:49

for people that want freedom of speech, some of you sure make outstanding advocates of those freedoms

Crikeyalmighty · 19/02/2025 19:55

@Cupcakes2035 where does free speech end though and 'agitation' start - I'm sure Hitler used free speech initially

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 19:56

Crikeyalmighty · 19/02/2025 19:55

@Cupcakes2035 where does free speech end though and 'agitation' start - I'm sure Hitler used free speech initially

and im sure he also used censorship too, when suited

TopPocketFind · 19/02/2025 19:58

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 19:49

for people that want freedom of speech, some of you sure make outstanding advocates of those freedoms

You are free to post your stuff, posters are free to criticise it

Llttledrummergirl · 19/02/2025 20:01

I've been debating here for years. This kind of bull shit is not worth debating. Try using actual facts instead of whatever Putin (via Trump and MAGA) tells you.

Then I might be bothered to use my words.

Edited for spelling

OneLemonDog · 19/02/2025 20:06

MyLimeGuide · 19/02/2025 19:31

Like I said, he's a nut job, It won't happen.

Tarrifs are happening, aimed at damaging the Canadian economy so that we're pressured into sacrificing our sovereignty. While I don't see Canada becoming the 51st state any time soon, our once closest ally (who have benefited significantly from the positive relationship between the two countries) is now seeking to purposefully inflict economic harm and threatening worse.

The US has turned extremely malicious and I would not be so quick to dismiss their talk of expansions and invasions.

JHound · 19/02/2025 20:15

Llttledrummergirl · 19/02/2025 19:43

Wtf! How thick do you have to be to actually spend time typing this shit.

The maga is strong in this one.

MAGA is a full blown cult

Aria999 · 19/02/2025 20:17

MAGA is a full blown cult

Yes it's very scary. Even has the rhetoric about Trump being sent by God to do God's work.

HRTQueen · 19/02/2025 20:25

No I don’t believe Trump is the right leader for now or at any time

for every one positive that night corn from this administration I feel many more negatives will

but we are here and he is certainly making waves and as much as we might dislike it we are going to have to ride these waves at times

that’s politics history repeats itself just the game changes

Aria999 · 19/02/2025 20:26

Just seen a post on facebook from a park ranger who has lost his job. The national parks are a great resource for everyone and the rangers are amazing.

Hope Elon Musk isn't planning to visit Yosemite or the Grand Canyon any time soon, if so he better bring his own loo roll.

MrsTerryPratchett · 19/02/2025 20:32

of course you have special powers and can read my mind, bravo, how about a course in the studying of Machiavelli's the prince, and the book the 48 laws of power, oh and ill give you sun tzu too to study

My very good degree in Politics from a Russell Group university, taught by experts in their fields should suffice. Including experts in American interventionism. I talk regularly about American interventionism with Guatemalans and Salvadorans, I'll give your 6th form reading list a swerve, thanks.

The problem is this, facts and intelligence aren't winning. Stupidity and sound bites are. I have a Trumpian American friend who spouts about Trump nonsense constantly. Everything he says, I can counter. But at some point he blithers about fentanyl and I want to send him a 100 page book on it. Trump goes, CANADA IS SENDING DRUGS and that's a lot easier and quicker than, you know, reading and understanding and critically assessing. So he believes that. It's whack-a-mole.

And all this whack-a-mole is doing its job. Distracting Americans from the wholesale dismantling of their democracy by Musk and pals. Musk is relying on you being too stupid to notice in time.

MrsTerryPratchett · 19/02/2025 20:33

Aria999 · 19/02/2025 20:26

Just seen a post on facebook from a park ranger who has lost his job. The national parks are a great resource for everyone and the rangers are amazing.

Hope Elon Musk isn't planning to visit Yosemite or the Grand Canyon any time soon, if so he better bring his own loo roll.

Bear spray too. They'll be rubbing his tent with steaks.

Farreleye · 19/02/2025 20:36

Trump is trying to broker peace while the EU and that crook zelensky sat on their hands for 3 years while billions were spent and more importantly 1000's have died. Dead right this could have been sorted out a few weeks in but oh no that wasn't in Bidens interest.

Well yes they could have caved into Putins demands sooner- can you genuinely not see why that would be problematic?

MyLimeGuide · 19/02/2025 20:41

Radyward · 19/02/2025 18:24

Trump is trying to broker peace while the EU and that crook zelensky sat on their hands for 3 years while billions were spent and more importantly 1000's have died. Dead right this could have been sorted out a few weeks in but oh no that wasn't in Bidens interest. War = big money. Big arms deals. It's disgusting.
Zelensky is a total dictator. Cancelled elections
Has routed political opponents.
Zelensky and his friends have homes all over Europe and even in the palisades.
This is a never ending war which the eu was happy to bank roll forever and send your children to if needed
Omg what planet is Starmer on!
Eu have been totally ineffective and are total lazy fat cats so yes they do not deserve a seat at that table.
As for Hamas disgusting evil individuals who care nothing for the palestinians. So at least Trump is trying to end that too. Jordan and egypt are interested in helping to rebuild as they do not want Anerican boots on gaza.so a peace deal there is a damn sight more close than it ever was !!! Gaza is a mess -virtually uninhabitable . Some Gazan women apparantly are open to living in Turkey. Funny how no one wants to accommodate the gazans. I for one feel sorry for israel with Hamas a few miles away.
Good on trump shaking up the eu and calling out their dross and clapping their own backs and living it up flying to meetings and achieving nothing other than big bills for their citizens to foot!!
Doing nothing while people needlessly die is not OK but it was for the EU elite

Yeah this makes a lot if sense actually.

Llttledrummergirl · 19/02/2025 20:46

It does if you're MAGA.

Pokadotspink · 19/02/2025 20:51

Eu have been totally ineffective, thats true since they have not increased their nato contributions and defense spending

NotTerfNorCis · 19/02/2025 20:52

that crook zelensky sat on their hands for 3 years

Have you been living under a rock?

Pokadotspink · 19/02/2025 20:52

why have nato if its members do not want to keep it relevant for the modern day ?

Farreleye · 19/02/2025 20:53

Pokadotspink · 19/02/2025 20:51

Eu have been totally ineffective, thats true since they have not increased their nato contributions and defense spending

Is this where we get the screenshot of the pie chart wrongly claiming the US pay well over half towards NATO when they actually contribute 17% and said graph is the totality of their defence spending and not indirect and direct contribution to NATO?

Llttledrummergirl · 19/02/2025 20:56

NotTerfNorCis · 19/02/2025 20:52

that crook zelensky sat on their hands for 3 years

Have you been living under a rock?

Probably a bridge.

Serpentstooth · 19/02/2025 20:57

I'm amazed that Bigly hasn't declared Maga a religion like ElRon did with scientology. Thinkk of the $$$ he's missing out on.