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To think Trump might be the right Leader for right now?

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Theemeperorsnewclothes · 12/02/2025 23:25

I am so confused why I am starting to think that Trump might be a good thing right now. I do think he is making the right moves to end conflict right now, which of course can only be a good thing for the poor people suffering in war zones but I’m so conflicted. I was trying to search for why I felt this way and what past war and future war situations might mean with Trump at the helm. Below are notes to myself. I know you educated, worldly wise mums will absolutely be able to educate on what I am missing. I am genuinely interested to hear your perspectives.

Why do wars start?
War is caused by many different things, including competition over land, religious conflicts, and nationalism. Imperialism, racism, and slavery have also been causes of armed conflict.
Why do wars end?
Realistically, wars usually end when one side wins or the parties experience significant war weariness. Thus, World War I was only a temporary end-of-war because there was no clear-cut victory.
We need to put an end to why wars start, not why wars end. Too much devastation and destruction and loss of life when a war starts. In this case, like the war in Gaza there has been no clear “winner” there has been constant and significant “war weariness” but some other country/political party/religious group steps in. However, there is still never a “clear-cut victory”
Tackle the issues that START wars and not STOP wars in the first place. A true leader will make their priority tackling all the issues that start wars. Trump needs to prove himself in this approach.
That said, we are in a very volatile world and ENDING wars is the first priority. Trump appears to have that in his sights. I say this as far left viewer of the world, as opposed to the right take on the world, as it is today.
I don’t care if you are left or right or somewhere in between. War must end now and we must have a leader who can figure out how to stop it happening again. The end. The Leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place, is the one who can save humanity. Right now, we need the wars to end, and like it or not, that is the position we find ourselves in, and that’s why, I currently think it might be Trump.

Anyone have any idea who is the leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place? I’m thinking they would need to be free from corruption and probably not an egotistical, power hungry male.

End of my rant 😁.

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Parker231 · 19/02/2025 18:45

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 18:43

the information could of been correct and trump made the error either on purpose or an accident

Trump has zero foreign policy experience and shouldn’t be allowed to meddle! His recent Cabinet appointments show the mistakes he’s making.

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 18:45

TopPocketFind · 19/02/2025 18:45

Ah well, you don't disagree with Trump, that says it all.

of course you have special powers and can read my mind, bravo, how about a course in the studying of Machiavelli's the prince, and the book the 48 laws of power, oh and ill give you sun tzu too to study

MyLimeGuide · 19/02/2025 18:46

Parker231 · 19/02/2025 18:39

So you think his threat to turn Canada into the 51st state is for the greater good? He’s actually serious about this.

Not sure tbh. Like I said earlier, I was happy with some things, I'll look into the Canada thing but it seems bloody obvious he can't just take over Canada!!

Bitteroldshrew · 19/02/2025 18:46

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 18:42

how much and how many talks etc happened during the world wars or cold wars etc that the public didn't know about until years after the wars when intelligence was declassified, why should now be any different than the past

And what if none of that is true.

What if this actually isn't part of a "master plan" guided by intelligence and actually just a wannabe dictator?

Where do you draw the line in supporting this? How will you ever know?

TopPocketFind · 19/02/2025 18:46

MyLimeGuide · 19/02/2025 18:35

I didn't know he had done that? He may say silly things, I'm not denying he's unhinged but so far all I can see is good outcomes for the greater good.

Project 2025?

Good luck if you are in the US

OneLemonDog · 19/02/2025 18:46

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 18:28

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/11/08/vccp-n08.html

Ukraine’s Volodymyr Zelensky cancels elections as US expands conflict with Russia in Middle East

7 November 2023

Edited

Which is very typical in wartime (including in the UK in WW2) and is a decision supported even by Zelensky's political opponents in Ukraine.

Bitteroldshrew · 19/02/2025 18:46

MyLimeGuide · 19/02/2025 18:46

Not sure tbh. Like I said earlier, I was happy with some things, I'll look into the Canada thing but it seems bloody obvious he can't just take over Canada!!

Probably seemed obvious that Putin couldn't just take over Ukraine....

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 18:47

Bitteroldshrew · 19/02/2025 18:46

And what if none of that is true.

What if this actually isn't part of a "master plan" guided by intelligence and actually just a wannabe dictator?

Where do you draw the line in supporting this? How will you ever know?

then im guessing the establishment will take care of trump, if he is not suited for their long term goals

username299 · 19/02/2025 18:48

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 18:42

how much and how many talks etc happened during the world wars or cold wars etc that the public didn't know about until years after the wars when intelligence was declassified, why should now be any different than the past

If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

Yes, I imagine that lots of secret meetings have happened throughout history that we're not privy to. What seems to have happened here is that Putin scratched Trump's back and now Trump is scratching Putin's.

The US gets access to Ukraine's natural resources, Putin retains his stolen land, Ukraine doesn't join NATO and Putin rides roughshod over Europe.

That's what I understand regarding the situation. Since we don't have access to these 'secret meetings', that's what we know.

Bitteroldshrew · 19/02/2025 18:48

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 18:47

then im guessing the establishment will take care of trump, if he is not suited for their long term goals

And if the establishment's goals align with his?

Vinvertebrate · 19/02/2025 18:50

XWKD · 12/02/2025 23:47

Trump is a cunt.

Quite. I bet Janey Godley is spinning in her grave.

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 18:50

username299 · 19/02/2025 18:48

If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

Yes, I imagine that lots of secret meetings have happened throughout history that we're not privy to. What seems to have happened here is that Putin scratched Trump's back and now Trump is scratching Putin's.

The US gets access to Ukraine's natural resources, Putin retains his stolen land, Ukraine doesn't join NATO and Putin rides roughshod over Europe.

That's what I understand regarding the situation. Since we don't have access to these 'secret meetings', that's what we know.

and thats a fair point, that is the main information us, public have been told.

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 18:51

Bitteroldshrew · 19/02/2025 18:48

And if the establishment's goals align with his?

then for now, i hope they have control of the situation, rather than the news broadcasting we are now at defcon 2

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 18:53

i may not agree with a few of you, but thank you for your views, points and perspectives, it helps give me different views

Parker231 · 19/02/2025 18:53

MyLimeGuide · 19/02/2025 18:46

Not sure tbh. Like I said earlier, I was happy with some things, I'll look into the Canada thing but it seems bloody obvious he can't just take over Canada!!

He’s planning on taking Panama, Greenland and Canada. You try living in Canada at the moment - we’re only 90 minutes from the US border.

Aria999 · 19/02/2025 18:54

'The establishment' (if you mean the grownups who used to be in the Republican Party) has largely been eviscerated and replaced with Trump groupies.

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 18:56

Aria999 · 19/02/2025 18:54

'The establishment' (if you mean the grownups who used to be in the Republican Party) has largely been eviscerated and replaced with Trump groupies.

more the power, behind the power to quote frank underwood

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 18:56

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Aria999 · 19/02/2025 18:56

Elon Musk?

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 18:57

Aria999 · 19/02/2025 18:56

Elon Musk?

not sure, doubtful, hes the face yes, but not the power

OneLemonDog · 19/02/2025 18:57

Parker231 · 19/02/2025 18:53

He’s planning on taking Panama, Greenland and Canada. You try living in Canada at the moment - we’re only 90 minutes from the US border.

I'm less than 15 mins from the border.

It's pretty scary right now though, I will say, I think its safer to be in Canada than mainland Europe.

OneLemonDog · 19/02/2025 18:58

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Do you have to keep flooding various threads with random ChatGPT shit? It's very tedious.

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 18:59

OneLemonDog · 19/02/2025 18:58

Do you have to keep flooding various threads with random ChatGPT shit? It's very tedious.

that proves my argument about what the public think they know vs what they thought they knew.

apologies for trying to be educational, instead why not just believe in the media for the whole truths instead

Crikeyalmighty · 19/02/2025 19:00

@MyLimeGuide but being ok about pulling out of the 'woke' stuff is a very big difference from cosying up to Putin , busily saying out loud you want to take over other peoples country's , giving people access to all kinds of information who also own huge social media organisations and going round cancelling anyone and his mother who isn't one of your groupies.

Parker231 · 19/02/2025 19:14

OneLemonDog · 19/02/2025 18:57

I'm less than 15 mins from the border.

It's pretty scary right now though, I will say, I think its safer to be in Canada than mainland Europe.

Wow - you are close - we might have passed you as we’re in Burlington, VT having lunch with friends. We’re in Montreal 🍁