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To think Trump might be the right Leader for right now?

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Theemeperorsnewclothes · 12/02/2025 23:25

I am so confused why I am starting to think that Trump might be a good thing right now. I do think he is making the right moves to end conflict right now, which of course can only be a good thing for the poor people suffering in war zones but I’m so conflicted. I was trying to search for why I felt this way and what past war and future war situations might mean with Trump at the helm. Below are notes to myself. I know you educated, worldly wise mums will absolutely be able to educate on what I am missing. I am genuinely interested to hear your perspectives.

Why do wars start?
War is caused by many different things, including competition over land, religious conflicts, and nationalism. Imperialism, racism, and slavery have also been causes of armed conflict.
Why do wars end?
Realistically, wars usually end when one side wins or the parties experience significant war weariness. Thus, World War I was only a temporary end-of-war because there was no clear-cut victory.
We need to put an end to why wars start, not why wars end. Too much devastation and destruction and loss of life when a war starts. In this case, like the war in Gaza there has been no clear “winner” there has been constant and significant “war weariness” but some other country/political party/religious group steps in. However, there is still never a “clear-cut victory”
Tackle the issues that START wars and not STOP wars in the first place. A true leader will make their priority tackling all the issues that start wars. Trump needs to prove himself in this approach.
That said, we are in a very volatile world and ENDING wars is the first priority. Trump appears to have that in his sights. I say this as far left viewer of the world, as opposed to the right take on the world, as it is today.
I don’t care if you are left or right or somewhere in between. War must end now and we must have a leader who can figure out how to stop it happening again. The end. The Leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place, is the one who can save humanity. Right now, we need the wars to end, and like it or not, that is the position we find ourselves in, and that’s why, I currently think it might be Trump.

Anyone have any idea who is the leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place? I’m thinking they would need to be free from corruption and probably not an egotistical, power hungry male.

End of my rant 😁.

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Parker231 · 19/02/2025 18:23

MyLimeGuide · 19/02/2025 18:15

Hmmm I'm generally a trump fan but he is so ruthless Zelensky has been an amazing president, it's hard to see this happening to him :-(

You’re a Trump fan?? The world doesn’t revolve around America or Trump.

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 18:24

OneLemonDog · 19/02/2025 18:22

I loathe Trump, but I acknowledge that he speaks to some people's concerns.

That said, given that Trump has made clear (for some years now) that is sympathetic to Russia, against NATO and would not give Europe any assistance were it attacked, I can't get my head around Euopeans liking him. Even if you like aspects of his politics, and would be happy for him to be your country's leader, I don't understand how, as a European, you can like someone who is arguably the largest security threat Europe has seen since WW2.

because i think some of it, they are not speaking to him more cozying up to the administration because trump can be replaced but then you still need the institution's of power eg the capital etc to assist when needed

Radyward · 19/02/2025 18:24

Trump is trying to broker peace while the EU and that crook zelensky sat on their hands for 3 years while billions were spent and more importantly 1000's have died. Dead right this could have been sorted out a few weeks in but oh no that wasn't in Bidens interest. War = big money. Big arms deals. It's disgusting.
Zelensky is a total dictator. Cancelled elections
Has routed political opponents.
Zelensky and his friends have homes all over Europe and even in the palisades.
This is a never ending war which the eu was happy to bank roll forever and send your children to if needed
Omg what planet is Starmer on!
Eu have been totally ineffective and are total lazy fat cats so yes they do not deserve a seat at that table.
As for Hamas disgusting evil individuals who care nothing for the palestinians. So at least Trump is trying to end that too. Jordan and egypt are interested in helping to rebuild as they do not want Anerican boots on gaza.so a peace deal there is a damn sight more close than it ever was !!! Gaza is a mess -virtually uninhabitable . Some Gazan women apparantly are open to living in Turkey. Funny how no one wants to accommodate the gazans. I for one feel sorry for israel with Hamas a few miles away.
Good on trump shaking up the eu and calling out their dross and clapping their own backs and living it up flying to meetings and achieving nothing other than big bills for their citizens to foot!!
Doing nothing while people needlessly die is not OK but it was for the EU elite

TopPocketFind · 19/02/2025 18:25

MyLimeGuide · 19/02/2025 18:15

Hmmm I'm generally a trump fan but he is so ruthless Zelensky has been an amazing president, it's hard to see this happening to him :-(

But you were okay with the threats of invading Greenland, Canada and Panama?

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 18:25

TopPocketFind · 19/02/2025 18:20

You do think he is right then?

honestly i dont know at this point,

MyLimeGuide · 19/02/2025 18:27

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 18:21

true points, ill be honest i dont have a clue with it all.

its just i dont believe any of the media, because history has shown what we get told via the media etc can be very different to what is the true truth

and its puzzling how the public or some of them read a news article and suddenly they think they are experts on eg trump etc

Like I just did!! It's very hard when the media lie, or are atleast biased! Simple minded folk like me have no chance!

Yorkshirelass04 · 19/02/2025 18:27

Have you got really low standards generally, or just for leaders of nations?

TopPocketFind · 19/02/2025 18:28

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 18:25

honestly i dont know at this point,

Really, you think Ukraine is to blame for being invaded?

The country I was born in was invaded in WW2, guess we were to blame too and not Hitler Hmm

Parker231 · 19/02/2025 18:28

Radyward · 19/02/2025 18:24

Trump is trying to broker peace while the EU and that crook zelensky sat on their hands for 3 years while billions were spent and more importantly 1000's have died. Dead right this could have been sorted out a few weeks in but oh no that wasn't in Bidens interest. War = big money. Big arms deals. It's disgusting.
Zelensky is a total dictator. Cancelled elections
Has routed political opponents.
Zelensky and his friends have homes all over Europe and even in the palisades.
This is a never ending war which the eu was happy to bank roll forever and send your children to if needed
Omg what planet is Starmer on!
Eu have been totally ineffective and are total lazy fat cats so yes they do not deserve a seat at that table.
As for Hamas disgusting evil individuals who care nothing for the palestinians. So at least Trump is trying to end that too. Jordan and egypt are interested in helping to rebuild as they do not want Anerican boots on gaza.so a peace deal there is a damn sight more close than it ever was !!! Gaza is a mess -virtually uninhabitable . Some Gazan women apparantly are open to living in Turkey. Funny how no one wants to accommodate the gazans. I for one feel sorry for israel with Hamas a few miles away.
Good on trump shaking up the eu and calling out their dross and clapping their own backs and living it up flying to meetings and achieving nothing other than big bills for their citizens to foot!!
Doing nothing while people needlessly die is not OK but it was for the EU elite

The elections in Ukraine were legally cancelled whilst the country is at war - millions of voters are displaced or living under Russian occupation - the UK did the same during WW2.

Why haven’t Russia had elections?

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 18:28

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/11/08/vccp-n08.html

Ukraine’s Volodymyr Zelensky cancels elections as US expands conflict with Russia in Middle East

7 November 2023

MyLimeGuide · 19/02/2025 18:29

TopPocketFind · 19/02/2025 18:25

But you were okay with the threats of invading Greenland, Canada and Panama?

I was happy with all the anti woke stuff, including pulling out of the net zero BS.

TopPocketFind · 19/02/2025 18:31

MyLimeGuide · 19/02/2025 18:29

I was happy with all the anti woke stuff, including pulling out of the net zero BS.

And the taking countries against their will?

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 18:33

TopPocketFind · 19/02/2025 18:28

Really, you think Ukraine is to blame for being invaded?

The country I was born in was invaded in WW2, guess we were to blame too and not Hitler Hmm

thats a hyperbole argument and you know it, a form of reductio ad absurdum,

for ukraine alone, i dont have enough research to prove it or not, trump has entire intelligence agencies at his finger tips, so i presume there must be more intelligence that the public do not know that may or may not prove what trump has said

MyLimeGuide · 19/02/2025 18:35

TopPocketFind · 19/02/2025 18:31

And the taking countries against their will?

I didn't know he had done that? He may say silly things, I'm not denying he's unhinged but so far all I can see is good outcomes for the greater good.

username299 · 19/02/2025 18:37

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 18:22

in theory you could be correct, but without the extra information , we are missing context to why it is happening this way

I'm a bit confused. Are you saying that Trump having 'peace talks' without Ukraine, and capitulating to a dictator, is happening because of intelligence we aren't aware of?

Tricho · 19/02/2025 18:37

Kamek · 12/02/2025 23:47

The reason why wars start is essentially - Men.

Golda Meir has left the chat.

Parker231 · 19/02/2025 18:38

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 18:33

thats a hyperbole argument and you know it, a form of reductio ad absurdum,

for ukraine alone, i dont have enough research to prove it or not, trump has entire intelligence agencies at his finger tips, so i presume there must be more intelligence that the public do not know that may or may not prove what trump has said

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Trump’s “intelligence “ agencies and his aides will tell him what he wants to hear - little to do with the truth. Just listen to his media appearances and fact checker for the lies coming out of his mouth.
He doesn’t even understand what a tariff is or the trade deficit the US has with Canada - he isn’t being well advised.

Parker231 · 19/02/2025 18:39

MyLimeGuide · 19/02/2025 18:35

I didn't know he had done that? He may say silly things, I'm not denying he's unhinged but so far all I can see is good outcomes for the greater good.

So you think his threat to turn Canada into the 51st state is for the greater good? He’s actually serious about this.

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 18:39

Parker231 · 19/02/2025 18:38

Trump’s “intelligence “ agencies and his aides will tell him what he wants to hear - little to do with the truth. Just listen to his media appearances and fact checker for the lies coming out of his mouth.
He doesn’t even understand what a tariff is or the trade deficit the US has with Canada - he isn’t being well advised.

just because a person makes mistakes, overconfidence breeds errors in intelligence analysis, never under estimate your opponent or person of interest

Parker231 · 19/02/2025 18:40

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 18:39

just because a person makes mistakes, overconfidence breeds errors in intelligence analysis, never under estimate your opponent or person of interest

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If you’re advising the President of the United States - you get your information correct !

JHound · 19/02/2025 18:41

Yep - the “right leader”….

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c778ldvpn0po

Bitteroldshrew · 19/02/2025 18:41

MyLimeGuide · 19/02/2025 18:35

I didn't know he had done that? He may say silly things, I'm not denying he's unhinged but so far all I can see is good outcomes for the greater good.

Really? You think that taking territory from another country by force is okay? Because that's what Trump is saying. So when China take Taiwan that will be okay too? And when Putin decides that he wants to rebuild the USSR that's also alright? And when someone comes for the UK or whatever country you live in, that will also be okay?

I really can't see those outcomes being outcomes to be celebrated as for the greater good.

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 18:42

username299 · 19/02/2025 18:37

I'm a bit confused. Are you saying that Trump having 'peace talks' without Ukraine, and capitulating to a dictator, is happening because of intelligence we aren't aware of?

how much and how many talks etc happened during the world wars or cold wars etc that the public didn't know about until years after the wars when intelligence was declassified, why should now be any different than the past

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 18:43

Parker231 · 19/02/2025 18:40

If you’re advising the President of the United States - you get your information correct !

the information could of been correct and trump made the error either on purpose or an accident

TopPocketFind · 19/02/2025 18:45

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 18:33

thats a hyperbole argument and you know it, a form of reductio ad absurdum,

for ukraine alone, i dont have enough research to prove it or not, trump has entire intelligence agencies at his finger tips, so i presume there must be more intelligence that the public do not know that may or may not prove what trump has said

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Ah well, you don't disagree with Trump, that says it all.

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