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To think Trump might be the right Leader for right now?

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Theemeperorsnewclothes · 12/02/2025 23:25

I am so confused why I am starting to think that Trump might be a good thing right now. I do think he is making the right moves to end conflict right now, which of course can only be a good thing for the poor people suffering in war zones but I’m so conflicted. I was trying to search for why I felt this way and what past war and future war situations might mean with Trump at the helm. Below are notes to myself. I know you educated, worldly wise mums will absolutely be able to educate on what I am missing. I am genuinely interested to hear your perspectives.

Why do wars start?
War is caused by many different things, including competition over land, religious conflicts, and nationalism. Imperialism, racism, and slavery have also been causes of armed conflict.
Why do wars end?
Realistically, wars usually end when one side wins or the parties experience significant war weariness. Thus, World War I was only a temporary end-of-war because there was no clear-cut victory.
We need to put an end to why wars start, not why wars end. Too much devastation and destruction and loss of life when a war starts. In this case, like the war in Gaza there has been no clear “winner” there has been constant and significant “war weariness” but some other country/political party/religious group steps in. However, there is still never a “clear-cut victory”
Tackle the issues that START wars and not STOP wars in the first place. A true leader will make their priority tackling all the issues that start wars. Trump needs to prove himself in this approach.
That said, we are in a very volatile world and ENDING wars is the first priority. Trump appears to have that in his sights. I say this as far left viewer of the world, as opposed to the right take on the world, as it is today.
I don’t care if you are left or right or somewhere in between. War must end now and we must have a leader who can figure out how to stop it happening again. The end. The Leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place, is the one who can save humanity. Right now, we need the wars to end, and like it or not, that is the position we find ourselves in, and that’s why, I currently think it might be Trump.

Anyone have any idea who is the leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place? I’m thinking they would need to be free from corruption and probably not an egotistical, power hungry male.

End of my rant 😁.

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Donotwantnot · 18/02/2025 15:56

Crikeyalmighty · 18/02/2025 15:30

@MrsTerryPratchett indeed. I'm just left of centre and I don't remotely support Hamas either - why do posters who love to refer to anyone who isn't a supporter of the Tory's or Reform as 'lefty's' presume we all actually support Hamas -?? - many just tried to show support for the Palestinian people. large amounts of the Palestinian population didn't support Hamas actions too - there was only ever 1 vote in 2006 and then they just 'took over' - it's like Farage taking over in 2028 say and 'presuming' the whole of Britain supports him for ever more as he's 'stopped' elections etc

Did you watch the hostage release footage? The footage that was meant to cultivate a ‘good impression’ of Hamas but instead showed a rather large number of so-called normal Palestinians cheering it on. The same Palestinians who were meant to be starving but were mostly robust and had iPhones.

MyLimeGuide · 18/02/2025 16:32

Crikeyalmighty · 18/02/2025 15:30

@MrsTerryPratchett indeed. I'm just left of centre and I don't remotely support Hamas either - why do posters who love to refer to anyone who isn't a supporter of the Tory's or Reform as 'lefty's' presume we all actually support Hamas -?? - many just tried to show support for the Palestinian people. large amounts of the Palestinian population didn't support Hamas actions too - there was only ever 1 vote in 2006 and then they just 'took over' - it's like Farage taking over in 2028 say and 'presuming' the whole of Britain supports him for ever more as he's 'stopped' elections etc

In your example, the general public, English or Palestines are irrelevant, it's the leaders that control that matter that counts, i don't know that much about the war but I do know Hamas started it!! And they are evil! I also know you can't compare Nigel garage to murderous terrorists

Cupcakes2035 · 18/02/2025 16:33

username299 · 18/02/2025 13:35

What are you trying to prove?

a poster was saying there were not any women that started a war,

MrsTerryPratchett · 18/02/2025 19:17

@Cupcakes2035 I think the Romans started it with Boudicca. Unless you think the resistance always 'starts it' Hmm

Parker231 · 18/02/2025 19:23

Aria999 · 15/02/2025 21:03

And the republicans could kiss goodbye to their electoral chances for a long time.

I know - Trump and the Republicans need to be careful what they wish for! The “conflict “ from the US is doing great things for Canadian patriotism!

insomniaclife · 19/02/2025 08:26

@Cupcakes2035

Evidently you do not see the difference between starting a war, and fighting in a war.

Name a woman who initiated a war.

Oh I've thought of one possible one for you - the only one - And that's would be Henry 6ths wife Margaret of Anjou.

MyLimeGuide · 19/02/2025 08:42

insomniaclife · 19/02/2025 08:26

@Cupcakes2035

Evidently you do not see the difference between starting a war, and fighting in a war.

Name a woman who initiated a war.

Oh I've thought of one possible one for you - the only one - And that's would be Henry 6ths wife Margaret of Anjou.

The white witch from Narnia?

Serpentstooth · 19/02/2025 10:21

Let's not forget Stephen v Matilda, she was pretty fearsome. Anyway, I've just listened to Trump babbling on. Blessed are the Liemakers seems to be the order of the day. Russia handed USA on a plate. Unbelievable. I wonder when the US population will realise. Maybe when they add a hammer and sickle to Old Glory and Putin gets a parade on that long approach to the White House?

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 14:47

insomniaclife · 19/02/2025 08:26

@Cupcakes2035

Evidently you do not see the difference between starting a war, and fighting in a war.

Name a woman who initiated a war.

Oh I've thought of one possible one for you - the only one - And that's would be Henry 6ths wife Margaret of Anjou.

Empress Anna of Russia (1730/1740) Initiated the War of the Polish Succession (1733/1735).

Catherine the Great (1762/1796) Initiated the Russo-Turkish War (1768/1774).

Queen Ranavalona I of Madagascar (1828/1861) – Ordered military campaigns against European influence and internal resistance.

From wikipedia

MrsTerryPratchett · 19/02/2025 15:00

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 14:47

Empress Anna of Russia (1730/1740) Initiated the War of the Polish Succession (1733/1735).

Catherine the Great (1762/1796) Initiated the Russo-Turkish War (1768/1774).

Queen Ranavalona I of Madagascar (1828/1861) – Ordered military campaigns against European influence and internal resistance.

From wikipedia

FFS the goalposts aren't even in the stadium any more.

Distraction from the real issue is what Trump and Cupcake are both doing. Trump is a dangerous megalomanic, in bed with other dangerous megalomaniacs. When you piss off the Canadians FFS and make Putin happy, you're the baddy.

MonotoneHerbivore · 19/02/2025 15:29

MrsTerryPratchett · 18/02/2025 15:21

Unfortunately, Lefties do understand why the far right support fascist coups.

We're around Spring 1938 right now. Trump is letting his mate dismantle democracy (such as it was in the States) and everyone on your 'side' is cheering him on. Don't say we didn't warn you.

Yep.

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 15:42

MrsTerryPratchett · 19/02/2025 15:00

FFS the goalposts aren't even in the stadium any more.

Distraction from the real issue is what Trump and Cupcake are both doing. Trump is a dangerous megalomanic, in bed with other dangerous megalomaniacs. When you piss off the Canadians FFS and make Putin happy, you're the baddy.

so whats the solution because it seems only option is defcon 2 on our nuclear forces, would be the fastest way to stop Putin

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 15:51

plus Putin is a more formidable foe than the Canadians @MrsTerryPratchett

MrsTerryPratchett · 19/02/2025 16:01

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 15:51

plus Putin is a more formidable foe than the Canadians @MrsTerryPratchett

The Canadians have beaten the Americans in a war. Have the Russians?

I'd like to see the US try to hold Canada in -60 with every Canadian resisting. They could take Canada, I doubt they could hold Canada.

Serpentstooth · 19/02/2025 16:24

Oh it's wearing, shouting at the moon. Admire your tenacity MrsTerryPratchett, it's like knitting porridge.

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 16:39

MrsTerryPratchett · 19/02/2025 16:01

The Canadians have beaten the Americans in a war. Have the Russians?

I'd like to see the US try to hold Canada in -60 with every Canadian resisting. They could take Canada, I doubt they could hold Canada.

old tech maybe, the rules have changed, if the usa launched all its military might there would be no Canada

Serpentstooth · 19/02/2025 16:43

And there wouldn't be much USA either. Are you feeling OK? Nuclear wipeout isn't anyone's desire, surely?

TankFlyBossW4lk · 19/02/2025 16:49

Theemeperorsnewclothes · 12/02/2025 23:39

I completely agree with you. I am interested to hear who could be a leader. There doesn’t appear to be anyone, or any political party.

Op, you seem to be suggesting that Trump is a decent leader. He's not. He's taking the US into an unstable, conflict ridden future with little regard for anyone but the very wealthiest of Americans.

He doesn't have any solutions to the wars. He's aligning himself with Israel and Russia and wants everyone to capitulate to their wants. Russia won't stop at Ukraine. The Middle East will continue to be at war.

You're slightly behaving as if no one realised this path of inhumanity existed and isn't it marvellous that he wants to do this awful thing in the name of peace. They'll be no peace. Elon and Trump are a disaster for the Western world.

Parker231 · 19/02/2025 16:58

Trump is a laughing stock here (Canada). He’s an idiot !

To think Trump might be the right Leader for right now?
Parker231 · 19/02/2025 17:00

These pictures are doing the rounds

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Parker231 · 19/02/2025 17:01

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MrsJoanDanvers · 19/02/2025 17:27

Cupcakes2035 · 18/02/2025 10:00

  • Boudica (60–61 CE) – Queen of the Iceni, led revolt against Rome

thats a war

Adn Joan of Arc is a national heroine of France. She was a peasant girl who, believing that she was acting under divine guidance, led the French army in a momentous victory at Orléans in 1429 that repulsed an English attempt to conquer France during the Hundred Years' War.

another person at war

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She led a revolt against occupiers who wanted to crush any autonomy her ytibe had by thrashing her and raping her daughters. Joan of Arc didn’t start a war-it was an episode in the 100 Years War in which France was eventually victorious. I suppose in your eyes, Zelensky started a war because he wanted to throw the occupiers out.

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 17:43

Serpentstooth · 19/02/2025 16:43

And there wouldn't be much USA either. Are you feeling OK? Nuclear wipeout isn't anyone's desire, surely?

if the alternative is ruled by russia ?

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 19/02/2025 17:48

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 17:43

if the alternative is ruled by russia ?

What?

Since when is Russia threatening to invade us?

Why would our options be Russia or the USA?

We’re fucking Canadians.

Cupcakes2035 · 19/02/2025 17:49

MrsJoanDanvers · 19/02/2025 17:27

She led a revolt against occupiers who wanted to crush any autonomy her ytibe had by thrashing her and raping her daughters. Joan of Arc didn’t start a war-it was an episode in the 100 Years War in which France was eventually victorious. I suppose in your eyes, Zelensky started a war because he wanted to throw the occupiers out.

not me , i dont have enough intel to confirm or deny that theory but someone else with access with various intelligence agencies has said

"President Donald Trump has publicly attributed responsibility for the ongoing war with Russia to Ukraine, suggesting that Ukrainian leadership could have averted the conflict through negotiations."

When he has The fbi,cia,nsa, etc whos to say whats in his briefings

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