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To think Trump might be the right Leader for right now?

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Theemeperorsnewclothes · 12/02/2025 23:25

I am so confused why I am starting to think that Trump might be a good thing right now. I do think he is making the right moves to end conflict right now, which of course can only be a good thing for the poor people suffering in war zones but I’m so conflicted. I was trying to search for why I felt this way and what past war and future war situations might mean with Trump at the helm. Below are notes to myself. I know you educated, worldly wise mums will absolutely be able to educate on what I am missing. I am genuinely interested to hear your perspectives.

Why do wars start?
War is caused by many different things, including competition over land, religious conflicts, and nationalism. Imperialism, racism, and slavery have also been causes of armed conflict.
Why do wars end?
Realistically, wars usually end when one side wins or the parties experience significant war weariness. Thus, World War I was only a temporary end-of-war because there was no clear-cut victory.
We need to put an end to why wars start, not why wars end. Too much devastation and destruction and loss of life when a war starts. In this case, like the war in Gaza there has been no clear “winner” there has been constant and significant “war weariness” but some other country/political party/religious group steps in. However, there is still never a “clear-cut victory”
Tackle the issues that START wars and not STOP wars in the first place. A true leader will make their priority tackling all the issues that start wars. Trump needs to prove himself in this approach.
That said, we are in a very volatile world and ENDING wars is the first priority. Trump appears to have that in his sights. I say this as far left viewer of the world, as opposed to the right take on the world, as it is today.
I don’t care if you are left or right or somewhere in between. War must end now and we must have a leader who can figure out how to stop it happening again. The end. The Leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place, is the one who can save humanity. Right now, we need the wars to end, and like it or not, that is the position we find ourselves in, and that’s why, I currently think it might be Trump.

Anyone have any idea who is the leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place? I’m thinking they would need to be free from corruption and probably not an egotistical, power hungry male.

End of my rant 😁.

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Theemeperorsnewclothes · 15/02/2025 01:21

sadmillenial · 15/02/2025 01:11

i will say, the thing he seems best at is causing massive distraction by saying horrible and unworkable things publicly for us all to get outraged about while his staff actually do horrible things without proper scrutiny because the headlines are all rage bait

I thinks a despicable way to govern a country

All our leaders are despicable, in different ways, every last one of them. Your own moral compass will decide who you would support, and even then they throw a curve ball. It’s all smoke and mirrors. We need a leader who protects and upholds the rights of the majority, who have paid into their country for their entire lives, who recognises and supports the views of their electorate and puts their views and welfare at the heart of all decision making and government spending (with some compassion for the minority groups, and need for additional spending) This would be my manifesto. I don’t understand why it’s so bloody hard.

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Cupcakes2035 · 15/02/2025 01:28

Nanny0gg · 15/02/2025 01:21

Please could your read some of the Letters from an American - Heather Cox Richardson

You can find her on Facebook or Substack. These are daily writings

Informative, educated writings from an eminent historian who knows what she is talking about.

I'm not sure how stopping welfare and medicaid and aid for other countries is helping society. Perhaps you could explain further?

Saves $$ for America and other countries systems (e.g., private charities, state-level programs, or economic growth) would likely replace the federal assistance from trump / usa.

Nanny0gg · 15/02/2025 01:29

Cupcakes2035 · 14/02/2025 12:33

but this is the puzzling point trump hired him and gave him permission to do what ever his job role is with the information, i dont see how people are confused about that, just because we presume he should not access the info, then thats between him and his employeer

Not when Trump is breaking the Federal law. He is elected President, not Despot. He still has to follow the law of the land

Just because he is president, he cannot break laws (as many judges are pointing out) and he cannot go against the Constitution (although he's having a fair old go)

Cupcakes2035 · 15/02/2025 01:30

Nanny0gg · 15/02/2025 01:17

Seriously?

He's gone in with his little crew with no Federal authorisation or clearance or oversight.

That is not how government works!

the govt, works how the president and his cabinet want it to work, if its legal making elon a govt worker and it seems it is then thats upto trump, after all to quote frank underwood "the people voted for him"

Cupcakes2035 · 15/02/2025 01:31

Nanny0gg · 15/02/2025 01:29

Not when Trump is breaking the Federal law. He is elected President, not Despot. He still has to follow the law of the land

Just because he is president, he cannot break laws (as many judges are pointing out) and he cannot go against the Constitution (although he's having a fair old go)

but in terms of hiring elon, as far as im aware he broke no rules

Nanny0gg · 15/02/2025 01:33

scorpiogirly · 14/02/2025 17:05

This is a good thing.

Why??

Nanny0gg · 15/02/2025 01:34

scorpiogirly · 14/02/2025 18:37

They didn't. Gender ideology as we know it today didn't exist. Trans people, cross dressing men were spared if they weren't Jewish. Gay men, were not. So there we are. It wasn't about targetting trans people. In fact, cross dressing was common among the nazis.

Were they not transvestites rather than transwomen?

Theemeperorsnewclothes · 15/02/2025 01:35

Nanny0gg · 15/02/2025 01:29

Not when Trump is breaking the Federal law. He is elected President, not Despot. He still has to follow the law of the land

Just because he is president, he cannot break laws (as many judges are pointing out) and he cannot go against the Constitution (although he's having a fair old go)

As do the majority, it is just not so widely publicised. How many of our UK judges give lenient sentences to peadophiles. Law is subjective to whoever holds the power at that time.

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Nanny0gg · 15/02/2025 01:38

Cupcakes2035 · 15/02/2025 01:28

Saves $$ for America and other countries systems (e.g., private charities, state-level programs, or economic growth) would likely replace the federal assistance from trump / usa.

Go and read what I've suggested

Cupcakes2035 · 15/02/2025 01:39

Also to add : Musk's position as head of DOGE was created through an executive order, and although it was an unconventional appointment, it is not automatically deemed illegal.

Nanny0gg · 15/02/2025 01:39

Theemeperorsnewclothes · 15/02/2025 01:35

As do the majority, it is just not so widely publicised. How many of our UK judges give lenient sentences to peadophiles. Law is subjective to whoever holds the power at that time.

The sentences may be lenient but they're within guidelines. So not subjective or illegal

What Trump and Elon are doing is illegal

Nanny0gg · 15/02/2025 01:40

Cupcakes2035 · 15/02/2025 01:39

Also to add : Musk's position as head of DOGE was created through an executive order, and although it was an unconventional appointment, it is not automatically deemed illegal.

He is still not allowed to do all that he is doing just because Trump said so.

Cupcakes2035 · 15/02/2025 01:42

Nanny0gg · 15/02/2025 01:40

He is still not allowed to do all that he is doing just because Trump said so.

technically he is : there are active lawsuits challenging the constitutionality of Musk’s appointment and the broad powers given to him. Until a court rules, the appointment is legally in a gray area.

MonotoneHerbivore · 15/02/2025 01:46

Theemeperorsnewclothes · 15/02/2025 00:46

You are not really that gender critical though, are you? The biggest threat to women, is not having their gender recognised and protected, as their own gender? A woman, is a woman? We have fought too long and hard to have anyone ‘muddy the waters’ over our still questionable ‘rights’ Illegal immigration, is just that, “illegal” It isn’t pleasant and it isn’t comfortable to acknowledge but if you have paid into a country your entire life and your children cannot access a Dentist or Doctor or receive emergency care because the services are overwhelmed, then absolutely you have a right to question why the ‘system’ in your country, which you are paying for, for a better life for you, and your children, is the way it is. There needs to be a separate funding strategy from origin countries if they want this to work, or better still, invest in their own countries.

You are not really that gender critical though, are you?

Convicted felon or gender critical wasn’t the party game I was expecting to play this year. But unfortunately, women have already died in the US from lack of access to reproductive care. So yes, I would rather Trump was not in power to almost anything. I believe what he and the Republicans are doing to women’s health and general autonomy is rolling us back decades if not a century.

it seems as though you’re blaming immigration for the challenges we’re having with the health care system. While it’s putting pressure on the system, I don’t think it’s fully the cause. Did you notice that Brexit didn’t seem to have the positive impact on the NHS that right wingers promised us it would? Just to confirm, though, would you agree with accepting children from war torn countries today?

Theemeperorsnewclothes · 15/02/2025 01:49

Nanny0gg · 15/02/2025 01:39

The sentences may be lenient but they're within guidelines. So not subjective or illegal

What Trump and Elon are doing is illegal

Jesus Christ @Nanny0gg you would rather be a peadophiles supporter over a Trump supporter. Standard. This is how division is created. It’s okay to say, I don’t really support all of Trumps policies over jumping to “the sentences might be lenient but they are within guidelines” for Peadophiles! What the actual fuck is wrong with you.

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colinthedogfromaccounts · 15/02/2025 01:49

Donotwantnot · 12/02/2025 23:36

I think Trump and Elon are doing some amazing things right now. And I’m firmly on Israel’s side.

Genuinely interested to try and understand your pov.

Please can we have some actual examples of these amazing things?

Theemeperorsnewclothes · 15/02/2025 01:56

MonotoneHerbivore · 15/02/2025 01:46

You are not really that gender critical though, are you?

Convicted felon or gender critical wasn’t the party game I was expecting to play this year. But unfortunately, women have already died in the US from lack of access to reproductive care. So yes, I would rather Trump was not in power to almost anything. I believe what he and the Republicans are doing to women’s health and general autonomy is rolling us back decades if not a century.

it seems as though you’re blaming immigration for the challenges we’re having with the health care system. While it’s putting pressure on the system, I don’t think it’s fully the cause. Did you notice that Brexit didn’t seem to have the positive impact on the NHS that right wingers promised us it would? Just to confirm, though, would you agree with accepting children from war torn countries today?

I think Trump is playing the Evangelical ‘game’ I don’t think he believes the horrendous situation of dictating women’s reproductive health is right either. I think he is trying to win the electorate. Playing the long game and then making changes. It’s a game of chess. Like politics always has been. How many of our posh boy MPs could be “convicted felons”

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Llttledrummergirl · 15/02/2025 02:25

Theemeperorsnewclothes · 15/02/2025 01:49

Jesus Christ @Nanny0gg you would rather be a peadophiles supporter over a Trump supporter. Standard. This is how division is created. It’s okay to say, I don’t really support all of Trumps policies over jumping to “the sentences might be lenient but they are within guidelines” for Peadophiles! What the actual fuck is wrong with you.

And there we have the gotcha. Except it's not a gotcha, it's not a binary choice. It isn't Trump or Men in Women's spaces. Grab em by the pussy Trump and his MAGA playbook are pushing this one hard.

All bow down to the saviour of women- Trump the Messiah has arrived to save us all.

OneLemonDog · 15/02/2025 03:57

Theemeperorsnewclothes · 15/02/2025 01:49

Jesus Christ @Nanny0gg you would rather be a peadophiles supporter over a Trump supporter. Standard. This is how division is created. It’s okay to say, I don’t really support all of Trumps policies over jumping to “the sentences might be lenient but they are within guidelines” for Peadophiles! What the actual fuck is wrong with you.

What an absurdly stupid post.

Bubblyb00b · 15/02/2025 06:55

During these last weeks it became obvious Trump is not the person running the show. He is a puppet for people who want more money and power - Trump just sits there, grinning like an imbecil, sighing whatever is put in front of him. That White House conference with Musk there was terrifying.

Any sane person should be worried about him aligning himself with putin/ against Europe. He basically happy to give putin whatever he wants in exchange for the access to rare minerals in Ukraine etc. putin will not stop until he has all of Ukraine. Removing Nato protection from Baltic states will allow putin to invade Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia without much effort. Thousands and thousands will die and will be displaced. Poland and Finland are in danger. Ultimately, all Europe is. We, here, are in danger too. The world is being destabilised massively, thanks to the greed and insanity of people in charge of America.

LovelySunnyDayToday · 15/02/2025 06:56

RandomButtons · 12/02/2025 23:45

He’s a puppet. Watch the press briefing from yesterday with Musk and his son. All the body language, posturing, and what the kid was doing showed who was really in charge.

Otherwise no. He’s a very bad leader, he speaks before he thinks and throws out half baked ideas like a toddler. He’s caused constitutional crisis in multiple countries already, and by far the stupidest thing - he’s pissed off his closest ally, Canada.

He is going to cause America to implode.

This.
It's so sinister

MonotoneHerbivore · 15/02/2025 07:05

LovelySunnyDayToday · 15/02/2025 06:56

This.
It's so sinister

Not just America, unfortunately. By disabling the agencies that work on things like (for example) monitoring and assisting with Ebola breakouts, that’s the type of thing that is going to impact the whole world.

user9876543211 · 15/02/2025 09:05

Theemeperorsnewclothes · 15/02/2025 01:56

I think Trump is playing the Evangelical ‘game’ I don’t think he believes the horrendous situation of dictating women’s reproductive health is right either. I think he is trying to win the electorate. Playing the long game and then making changes. It’s a game of chess. Like politics always has been. How many of our posh boy MPs could be “convicted felons”

So the long game is what? That's he's going to get to a certain point and then magically give women back their reproductive rights?

Cupcakes2035 · 15/02/2025 11:48

"The Illusion of Democracy: Power Behind the Curtain"

"Democracy is a system of government, but true power is in the hands of those who can manipulate it. The people may vote, but the system has already been rigged."

  1. Democracy: A Beautiful Lie

We live in a world where the idea of democracy is cherished, almost worshipped. But what if I told you democracy, as we know it, is a beautiful lie? A carefully constructed illusion designed to keep the masses believing they have power. The truth is simpler—and far more disturbing.

The People Believe They Choose: They believe their vote matters, that their voice is heard. But in reality, their choices are limited, and the decisions are made long before they ever step into the voting booth.

True Power Lies Elsewhere: Behind every election, there are puppet masters—lobbyists, corporations, powerful elites—who steer the ship. The game is rigged from the start, and the voters are simply pawns in a larger game.

  1. The Mechanisms of Control

While the public is busy debating policies, arguing over who should lead, the real power players are already making the decisions. The media, the corporations, the powerful elites—all of them have a stake in controlling the narrative. They control the flow of information, the framing of issues, and the shaping of public opinion.

Information is Power: Whoever controls the narrative controls the game. When the media and politicians are in bed together, the public is none the wiser.

Public Perception is Molded: By the time you make your decision, it’s already been made for you. The candidates, the issues, even the mood of the nation—it’s all carefully orchestrated.

  1. The Fallacy of Choice

The truth is, you don’t really have a choice. No matter which party wins, the system remains the same. The powerful will continue to hold sway, and the masses will continue to follow the illusion of democracy. They will dance on the puppet strings, thinking they are free, when in fact, they are bound tighter than ever.

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The System is Self-Sustaining: Those who hold the levers of power have created a system so entrenched that change becomes impossible. Even if the face of the leader changes, the system continues, its mechanisms grinding ever forward.

  1. The Real Players

The real players don’t run for office—they fund the candidates. They don’t make speeches—they control the money behind the scenes. They don’t win votes—they control the policies. These are the people who hold the real power.

Follow the Money, Not the Politician: In this world, money is the true currency of power. If you have money, you have influence. If you have influence, you control the narrative. And if you control the narrative, you control the people.

It’s Not About Winning Elections: It’s about controlling the process. The money flowing through the system ensures that the outcome is always in the hands of those who can afford to manipulate it.

  1. The Fiction of Accountability

In a democracy, the leaders are supposed to be accountable to the people. But accountability is a façade. The true accountability is to the money that supports them, the corporations that fund their campaigns, and the lobbyists that ensure their success.

Leaders Answer to Their Donors, Not to the People: The public may think they hold their leaders accountable with their votes, but in reality, it’s the wealthy elite, the corporations, and the special interests that truly hold sway.

The Cycle of Influence: The rich and powerful don’t just fund campaigns—they shape them. They create the political climate, push the policy agendas, and make sure the candidates they support rise to the top.

  1. The Dangerous Allure of Democracy

Democracy promises freedom, but in reality, it delivers illusion. It promises power to the people, but only a select few will ever truly wield it. And as long as the masses continue to believe in the lie, the powerful can continue to reign.

Democracy Can’t Handle Power: True power, the kind that shapes nations and changes history, is rarely democratic. The most effective leaders—those who truly change the course of history—are those who understand the game isn’t about following the rules. It’s about breaking them.

The People Are Distracted: Democracy keeps the people busy. It keeps them fighting amongst themselves, distracted by the illusion of choice, while the real decisions are made in closed rooms, far from public view.

  1. Conclusion: Breaking the Illusion

The truth is simple: Democracy isn’t about the people. It’s about control. It’s about maintaining the status quo, about ensuring the powerful stay in power. The people may vote, but the system is already rigged. The true game of power is played behind the curtain, with the masses none the wiser.
But if you understand the game—if you can see through the illusion—you can use it to your advantage. Because in the end, those who control the system are the ones who win.
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#RealpolitikWisdom
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TopPocketFind · 15/02/2025 11:58

What's the source of that copy and paste?