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To think Trump might be the right Leader for right now?

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Theemeperorsnewclothes · 12/02/2025 23:25

I am so confused why I am starting to think that Trump might be a good thing right now. I do think he is making the right moves to end conflict right now, which of course can only be a good thing for the poor people suffering in war zones but I’m so conflicted. I was trying to search for why I felt this way and what past war and future war situations might mean with Trump at the helm. Below are notes to myself. I know you educated, worldly wise mums will absolutely be able to educate on what I am missing. I am genuinely interested to hear your perspectives.

Why do wars start?
War is caused by many different things, including competition over land, religious conflicts, and nationalism. Imperialism, racism, and slavery have also been causes of armed conflict.
Why do wars end?
Realistically, wars usually end when one side wins or the parties experience significant war weariness. Thus, World War I was only a temporary end-of-war because there was no clear-cut victory.
We need to put an end to why wars start, not why wars end. Too much devastation and destruction and loss of life when a war starts. In this case, like the war in Gaza there has been no clear “winner” there has been constant and significant “war weariness” but some other country/political party/religious group steps in. However, there is still never a “clear-cut victory”
Tackle the issues that START wars and not STOP wars in the first place. A true leader will make their priority tackling all the issues that start wars. Trump needs to prove himself in this approach.
That said, we are in a very volatile world and ENDING wars is the first priority. Trump appears to have that in his sights. I say this as far left viewer of the world, as opposed to the right take on the world, as it is today.
I don’t care if you are left or right or somewhere in between. War must end now and we must have a leader who can figure out how to stop it happening again. The end. The Leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place, is the one who can save humanity. Right now, we need the wars to end, and like it or not, that is the position we find ourselves in, and that’s why, I currently think it might be Trump.

Anyone have any idea who is the leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place? I’m thinking they would need to be free from corruption and probably not an egotistical, power hungry male.

End of my rant 😁.

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HowardTJMoon · 14/02/2025 20:19

OneLemonDog · 14/02/2025 19:44

Trump isn't even very popular.

He won the popular vote this time around. For better or for worse, we can't ignore that there's a lot of American voters who think he'll be good for the country.

OneLemonDog · 14/02/2025 21:17

HowardTJMoon · 14/02/2025 20:19

He won the popular vote this time around. For better or for worse, we can't ignore that there's a lot of American voters who think he'll be good for the country.

Of course, but when people are referencing "huge approval rates" I think its fair to point out that Trump's are anything but.

madamweb · 14/02/2025 21:21

Theemeperorsnewclothes · 12/02/2025 23:34

I completely understand where you are coming from. However this “orange psychopath” appears to be brokering peace deals for now. But only for now.

He's not "brokering peace deals" . He's under Putin's thumb

HaveYouTrumped · 14/02/2025 21:37

I don't understand how people think he's under putin thumb
Why would he need to be?
What should he do with putin threaten him and nuke Russia? Was Biden doing a good job?
In many ways yes, absolutely. But trump is unpredictable putin ex kgb can't clinically predict trumps moves.
If I was putin I'd be far more concerned and frightened of egotistical Trump than Biden
That will be a very good thing when they negotiate.

I do feel for zelensky but without americas money and weapons they couldn't have held out against putin at all.

I don't doubt for one moment if putin kicked off USA wouldn't be there to assist but really why shoud they be ploughing so much money and time into protecting Europe?

I completely agree eu needs to step up and spend on defence they've had plenty of time to do this.

RafaistheKingofClay · 14/02/2025 22:13

Trump is way easier to manipulate than Biden.

and unpredictable chaos is Putin’s MO. That’s largely how he works. Brexit is the prime example. Does Putin give two hoots about Brexit probably not but look at the chaos it threw the UK into for the best part of a decade.

The entire west spending the next 4 years trying to mitigate an out of control USA is right up Putin’s street. And the negotiations are neither here nor there. Both sides would like to negotiate but neither is willing to give anything the other wants.

HowardTJMoon · 14/02/2025 22:25

@RafaistheKingofClay spot on. Putin doesn't care about Trump, or Brexit, or encouraging far-right politics across Europe. What he cares about is destabilising the West because if NATO etc is weaker then that makes Russia stronger It's downright scary how effective he's been at doing this, and how many people unwittingly support his goals because the divisions that Russia is stoking reflect the prejudices they already hold.

TempestTost · 14/02/2025 22:34

EmmaMaria · 14/02/2025 12:42

No - he is brokering self-interest. He has no interest at all in stopping wars. And it is not his place to "broker" deals that the people involved in the war do not themselves once. He has no right to offer Ukrainian land to Russia or to refuse NATO membership to the Ukraine. He has no right to develop a Club Med over peoples homes. He is a bully, and like all other bullies, it is only a matter of time before he starts a war, not ends war.

NATO countries, of which the US is one, do have the right to decide whether any country gets admitted to NATO.

Theemeperorsnewclothes · 14/02/2025 23:50

groovergirl · 13/02/2025 03:15

OP, you are a troll. You started this thread as a provocateur/se so as to glean info and usernames and assess how the UK and other nations might be manipulated. You're not even in the UK.

How much are your GOP overlords paying you for this info?

I honestly don’t even know what any of that means. Jeezo. I have no agenda other than using a pretty useful platform to try and educate myself because I genuinely feel very uneducated and conflicted, in these uncertain times.

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Theemeperorsnewclothes · 15/02/2025 00:03

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 14/02/2025 18:26

It should have ended as soon as it began. I'm really surprised it hasn't been removed by MN Towers.

Ah the power of free speech. Crazy world we are living in.

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Theemeperorsnewclothes · 15/02/2025 00:08

scorpiogirly · 14/02/2025 16:28

Quite a lot actually. He's banned men from competing in women's sports for a start. Getting rid of DEI departments. Tackling illegal immigration. I could go on and on.

Things that people actually voted for him for.

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This does seem a fair acknowledgement of what many voters want to see addressed in political policies, throughout the US and the EU and UK.

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MonotoneHerbivore · 15/02/2025 00:25

scorpiogirly · 14/02/2025 16:28

Quite a lot actually. He's banned men from competing in women's sports for a start. Getting rid of DEI departments. Tackling illegal immigration. I could go on and on.

Things that people actually voted for him for.

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I’m as gender critical as they come, but I still can’t reconcile that with having a degenerate, convicted sexual assaulter and felon in power. The reason I’m gender critical is because of (biological reality) and the risks to women and children. But Trump, and the Republican party, he fronts, is the biggest risk to women and children we’ve had in decades.

He isn’t doing it for the right reasons, and the overall risk to women and children is exponentially greater with him in power. In regards to illegal immigration, I just have to always think, there for the grace of ‘whatever deity you believe in’ go I.

During the Second World War when we were receiving Jewish children from Germany, would you have thought that was a bad thing?

And what exactly is your problem with DEI?

Nanny0gg · 15/02/2025 00:44

Cupcakes2035 · 13/02/2025 23:07

there is no proof for any of those claims about trump

They're admitting it! Citing the millions they've 'saved' already!

Theemeperorsnewclothes · 15/02/2025 00:46

MonotoneHerbivore · 15/02/2025 00:25

I’m as gender critical as they come, but I still can’t reconcile that with having a degenerate, convicted sexual assaulter and felon in power. The reason I’m gender critical is because of (biological reality) and the risks to women and children. But Trump, and the Republican party, he fronts, is the biggest risk to women and children we’ve had in decades.

He isn’t doing it for the right reasons, and the overall risk to women and children is exponentially greater with him in power. In regards to illegal immigration, I just have to always think, there for the grace of ‘whatever deity you believe in’ go I.

During the Second World War when we were receiving Jewish children from Germany, would you have thought that was a bad thing?

And what exactly is your problem with DEI?

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You are not really that gender critical though, are you? The biggest threat to women, is not having their gender recognised and protected, as their own gender? A woman, is a woman? We have fought too long and hard to have anyone ‘muddy the waters’ over our still questionable ‘rights’ Illegal immigration, is just that, “illegal” It isn’t pleasant and it isn’t comfortable to acknowledge but if you have paid into a country your entire life and your children cannot access a Dentist or Doctor or receive emergency care because the services are overwhelmed, then absolutely you have a right to question why the ‘system’ in your country, which you are paying for, for a better life for you, and your children, is the way it is. There needs to be a separate funding strategy from origin countries if they want this to work, or better still, invest in their own countries.

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Househunter2025 · 15/02/2025 00:47

Theemeperorsnewclothes · 12/02/2025 23:25

I am so confused why I am starting to think that Trump might be a good thing right now. I do think he is making the right moves to end conflict right now, which of course can only be a good thing for the poor people suffering in war zones but I’m so conflicted. I was trying to search for why I felt this way and what past war and future war situations might mean with Trump at the helm. Below are notes to myself. I know you educated, worldly wise mums will absolutely be able to educate on what I am missing. I am genuinely interested to hear your perspectives.

Why do wars start?
War is caused by many different things, including competition over land, religious conflicts, and nationalism. Imperialism, racism, and slavery have also been causes of armed conflict.
Why do wars end?
Realistically, wars usually end when one side wins or the parties experience significant war weariness. Thus, World War I was only a temporary end-of-war because there was no clear-cut victory.
We need to put an end to why wars start, not why wars end. Too much devastation and destruction and loss of life when a war starts. In this case, like the war in Gaza there has been no clear “winner” there has been constant and significant “war weariness” but some other country/political party/religious group steps in. However, there is still never a “clear-cut victory”
Tackle the issues that START wars and not STOP wars in the first place. A true leader will make their priority tackling all the issues that start wars. Trump needs to prove himself in this approach.
That said, we are in a very volatile world and ENDING wars is the first priority. Trump appears to have that in his sights. I say this as far left viewer of the world, as opposed to the right take on the world, as it is today.
I don’t care if you are left or right or somewhere in between. War must end now and we must have a leader who can figure out how to stop it happening again. The end. The Leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place, is the one who can save humanity. Right now, we need the wars to end, and like it or not, that is the position we find ourselves in, and that’s why, I currently think it might be Trump.

Anyone have any idea who is the leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place? I’m thinking they would need to be free from corruption and probably not an egotistical, power hungry male.

End of my rant 😁.

Omg. Go and read some history. If it was as simple as just tell everyone to stop fighting, even biden could have done it

Theemeperorsnewclothes · 15/02/2025 00:49

Househunter2025 · 15/02/2025 00:47

Omg. Go and read some history. If it was as simple as just tell everyone to stop fighting, even biden could have done it

I did… and here we are.

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Househunter2025 · 15/02/2025 00:52

How can you have these views and say you are left wing? These are right wing and also ignorant views. Blame illegal immigrants for everything.

Househunter2025 · 15/02/2025 00:55

Cupcakes2035 · 13/02/2025 23:50

well its better than supporting the average joe that gets drunk down the pub, at least elon is helping society and the bigger picture with his various companies, hes doing alot more than people slinging mud at him, so yes i support elon,

What's he doing to help society?

Nanny0gg · 15/02/2025 00:55

Hwi · 13/02/2025 01:40

I thought Trump was ace before I heard his plan for the Palestinians. I am disgusted and can't look at him anymore.

What was 'ace' about him?

His incitements to riot?
His sexual assaults?
His refusal to believe he lost an election?
His total incoherence?
His allowing unelected billionaires to take over govt depts?
His allowing Elon and son to disrespect the Oval Office?
His handing over Ukraine to Russia?
His proposals to take over Greenland?
His disbanding of the Constitution?

I could go on...

Theemeperorsnewclothes · 15/02/2025 01:01

Househunter2025 · 15/02/2025 00:52

How can you have these views and say you are left wing? These are right wing and also ignorant views. Blame illegal immigrants for everything.

I would identify as growing up with left wing political views. Some of my points right now could absolutely be seen as right wing. I have realised that aligning yourself to left or right is just not productive. We don’t have to label ourselves. It is okay to hold different views on the things that most impact your well-being and that of your family, and respond accordingly. Left/Right/middle doesn’t matter. What matters is the outcome.

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Lampzade · 15/02/2025 01:03

The only ‘good’ thing about Trump being in power is that the world will finally have to acknowledge how terrifying he really is.
Many of his rabid supporters are already regretting their vote and others will when they realise that they will suffer as a result of his policies . The phrase turkeys voting for Christmas comes to mind
Two deranged individuals running the USA. You cant make this shit up
In the words of Ronald Reagan
‘you ain’t seen nothing yet’

Theemeperorsnewclothes · 15/02/2025 01:08

Lampzade · 15/02/2025 01:03

The only ‘good’ thing about Trump being in power is that the world will finally have to acknowledge how terrifying he really is.
Many of his rabid supporters are already regretting their vote and others will when they realise that they will suffer as a result of his policies . The phrase turkeys voting for Christmas comes to mind
Two deranged individuals running the USA. You cant make this shit up
In the words of Ronald Reagan
‘you ain’t seen nothing yet’

Is he though? Does he want his own family wiped out? Might he have the sense to get China and Russia to agree to a nuclear peace deal, and let the world calm the fuck down for a while? Just a thought.

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sadmillenial · 15/02/2025 01:11

i will say, the thing he seems best at is causing massive distraction by saying horrible and unworkable things publicly for us all to get outraged about while his staff actually do horrible things without proper scrutiny because the headlines are all rage bait

I thinks a despicable way to govern a country

Nanny0gg · 15/02/2025 01:15

Mila6464 · 13/02/2025 23:28

Did people give their bank details, savings accounts, social security numbers, tax details to Facebook?

And are Elon and Mark besties now?

Nanny0gg · 15/02/2025 01:17

Cupcakes2035 · 13/02/2025 23:32

well when you use the apps you give the details to the tech companies etc, besides how is elon any different than any other fed worker ? non of them are elected by the people so in a sense elon is just another worker ?

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Seriously?

He's gone in with his little crew with no Federal authorisation or clearance or oversight.

That is not how government works!

Nanny0gg · 15/02/2025 01:21

Cupcakes2035 · 13/02/2025 23:50

well its better than supporting the average joe that gets drunk down the pub, at least elon is helping society and the bigger picture with his various companies, hes doing alot more than people slinging mud at him, so yes i support elon,

Please could your read some of the Letters from an American - Heather Cox Richardson

You can find her on Facebook or Substack. These are daily writings

Informative, educated writings from an eminent historian who knows what she is talking about.

I'm not sure how stopping welfare and medicaid and aid for other countries is helping society. Perhaps you could explain further?