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To think Trump might be the right Leader for right now?

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Theemeperorsnewclothes · 12/02/2025 23:25

I am so confused why I am starting to think that Trump might be a good thing right now. I do think he is making the right moves to end conflict right now, which of course can only be a good thing for the poor people suffering in war zones but I’m so conflicted. I was trying to search for why I felt this way and what past war and future war situations might mean with Trump at the helm. Below are notes to myself. I know you educated, worldly wise mums will absolutely be able to educate on what I am missing. I am genuinely interested to hear your perspectives.

Why do wars start?
War is caused by many different things, including competition over land, religious conflicts, and nationalism. Imperialism, racism, and slavery have also been causes of armed conflict.
Why do wars end?
Realistically, wars usually end when one side wins or the parties experience significant war weariness. Thus, World War I was only a temporary end-of-war because there was no clear-cut victory.
We need to put an end to why wars start, not why wars end. Too much devastation and destruction and loss of life when a war starts. In this case, like the war in Gaza there has been no clear “winner” there has been constant and significant “war weariness” but some other country/political party/religious group steps in. However, there is still never a “clear-cut victory”
Tackle the issues that START wars and not STOP wars in the first place. A true leader will make their priority tackling all the issues that start wars. Trump needs to prove himself in this approach.
That said, we are in a very volatile world and ENDING wars is the first priority. Trump appears to have that in his sights. I say this as far left viewer of the world, as opposed to the right take on the world, as it is today.
I don’t care if you are left or right or somewhere in between. War must end now and we must have a leader who can figure out how to stop it happening again. The end. The Leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place, is the one who can save humanity. Right now, we need the wars to end, and like it or not, that is the position we find ourselves in, and that’s why, I currently think it might be Trump.

Anyone have any idea who is the leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place? I’m thinking they would need to be free from corruption and probably not an egotistical, power hungry male.

End of my rant 😁.

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Cupcakes2035 · 14/02/2025 12:38

Crikeyalmighty · 14/02/2025 12:36

@Cupcakes2035 why does he need it then ? if not for nefarious reasons or propaganda- and as far as I'm aware he wasn't voted for either-

This is a guy who set about changing all the algorithms on X to make it a total sea of propaganda and bullshit , conspiracy theorists and trolls -

Musk is a power mad utter narcisstic freak - why not with all that cash set about doing some actual good for those less fortunate in life - you know like Bozos ex wife did or indeed Bill Gates.

in one way he would be no different than any other federal worker that would have access to the data, just in this case its elon, as for the specifics only him and trump know the full details i would presume,

any other speculation is just speculation as to motives etc

user9876543211 · 14/02/2025 12:41

Cupcakes2035 · 14/02/2025 12:33

but this is the puzzling point trump hired him and gave him permission to do what ever his job role is with the information, i dont see how people are confused about that, just because we presume he should not access the info, then thats between him and his employeer

Yup. Wes Streeting hires someone and permits them to access your data, including your medical records, without your consent. That's fine, right? Because that's between the employee and his employer.

I note, that with all your responses, you declined to answer this? I struggle to believe someone doesn't understand this. Or are you just being goady?

Sorry, but that's not how being an informed person in the real world works. Oxford Union debate is essentially an intellectual game. Being an informed citizen is not.

EmmaMaria · 14/02/2025 12:42

Theemeperorsnewclothes · 12/02/2025 23:34

I completely understand where you are coming from. However this “orange psychopath” appears to be brokering peace deals for now. But only for now.

No - he is brokering self-interest. He has no interest at all in stopping wars. And it is not his place to "broker" deals that the people involved in the war do not themselves once. He has no right to offer Ukrainian land to Russia or to refuse NATO membership to the Ukraine. He has no right to develop a Club Med over peoples homes. He is a bully, and like all other bullies, it is only a matter of time before he starts a war, not ends war.

Cupcakes2035 · 14/02/2025 12:43

user9876543211 · 14/02/2025 12:41

Yup. Wes Streeting hires someone and permits them to access your data, including your medical records, without your consent. That's fine, right? Because that's between the employee and his employer.

I note, that with all your responses, you declined to answer this? I struggle to believe someone doesn't understand this. Or are you just being goady?

Sorry, but that's not how being an informed person in the real world works. Oxford Union debate is essentially an intellectual game. Being an informed citizen is not.

i presume we give consent in the small print when you sign the documents, as usually its the details where it matters

user9876543211 · 14/02/2025 12:44

Cupcakes2035 · 14/02/2025 12:43

i presume we give consent in the small print when you sign the documents, as usually its the details where it matters

You do not give any consent, in the US, at least for things like your social security number or records to be accessed by outsiders.

Do you presume you've signed small print to allow your doctor to release your medical records?

user9876543211 · 14/02/2025 12:45

Cupcakes2035 · 14/02/2025 12:43

i presume we give consent in the small print when you sign the documents, as usually its the details where it matters

With almost every post you show yourself to have less and less understanding of anything.

TopPocketFind · 14/02/2025 12:47

I presume

bit like fingers crossed and hope for the best Confused

Locutus2000 · 14/02/2025 12:51

user9876543211 · 14/02/2025 12:45

With almost every post you show yourself to have less and less understanding of anything.

Could you maybe wind back on being so rude to Cupcakes?

OnYerselfHen · 14/02/2025 12:56

pinkstripeycat · 13/02/2025 22:38

You are happy with Hamas then? You do know they were voted in by Palestinians don’t you?They run Palestine. You agree with the murder and torture of all those young adults that triggered the war, yes?

Bloody hell!

Edited

Just to respond to your second sentence. There was one vote almost 20 years ago. I don't think we can hold the majority of people responsible today for who was voted for in 2006.

This guy Sammy Obeid says it much better than me.

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Crikeyalmighty · 14/02/2025 13:03

I think what I will say about information is that I think it's dangerous to have 'anyone' in a strategic governmental position with access to so much information that owns or has significant say on strategy at a very large social media site with an ability to pump out stuff to billions willy nilly and change algorithms including propaganda- so that would include Musk, Zuckerberg etc -

But that of course in my opinion is exactly why he was brought in - it certainly wasn't for his business ability these days as by involving himself in politics he's gone and done a 'Gerald Ratner ' and devalued his businesses.

Cupcakes2035 · 14/02/2025 13:05

user9876543211 · 14/02/2025 12:45

With almost every post you show yourself to have less and less understanding of anything.

so when you read the terms and conditions of different documents all the extra information is in there that usually gives things like this data or information my used by x etc at least thats my understanding

Rewis · 14/02/2025 13:09

I watched in the news yesterday the us minister of defence give his comments (he's a very very questionable character) and everything he said was such a turn off that even if there was a tiny seed of something sensible it requires so much effort to pull it that it makes it not even worth considering.
I'm open to trump doing something good and understanding why people love him, but everything and everyone is making it so damn hard.

Cupcakes2035 · 14/02/2025 13:09

Crikeyalmighty · 14/02/2025 13:03

I think what I will say about information is that I think it's dangerous to have 'anyone' in a strategic governmental position with access to so much information that owns or has significant say on strategy at a very large social media site with an ability to pump out stuff to billions willy nilly and change algorithms including propaganda- so that would include Musk, Zuckerberg etc -

But that of course in my opinion is exactly why he was brought in - it certainly wasn't for his business ability these days as by involving himself in politics he's gone and done a 'Gerald Ratner ' and devalued his businesses.

that i can understand your view and perspective, its very unsual

Cupcakes2035 · 14/02/2025 13:19

user9876543211 · 14/02/2025 12:44

You do not give any consent, in the US, at least for things like your social security number or records to be accessed by outsiders.

Do you presume you've signed small print to allow your doctor to release your medical records?

Edited

but musk is not an outsider according to google: Musk is what's known as a "special government employee," a designation given to people who join the government for a short period of time:

which give him the required duties etc

Mila6464 · 14/02/2025 13:29

Cupcakes2035 · 14/02/2025 13:19

but musk is not an outsider according to google: Musk is what's known as a "special government employee," a designation given to people who join the government for a short period of time:

which give him the required duties etc

What are his duties? He has invited random computer hackers to join him at the treasury, to what end?

Cupcakes2035 · 14/02/2025 13:31

Mila6464 · 14/02/2025 13:29

What are his duties? He has invited random computer hackers to join him at the treasury, to what end?

that i guess time will show, unless its all classified

MrsSkylerWhite · 14/02/2025 13:32

XWKD · 12/02/2025 23:47
Trump is a cunt.

Yes, he is.

Mila6464 · 14/02/2025 13:50

Cupcakes2035 · 14/02/2025 13:31

that i guess time will show, unless its all classified

So we have to wait and see if he is benevolent or whether he chooses to interfere with people's finances, benefits, health records etc? It must be nice to be so casual with other people's wellbeing. You won't be impacted so you are okay to wait and see

user9876543211 · 14/02/2025 13:54

Cupcakes2035 · 14/02/2025 13:19

but musk is not an outsider according to google: Musk is what's known as a "special government employee," a designation given to people who join the government for a short period of time:

which give him the required duties etc

Musk lacks standard governmental security clearance, never mind enhanced. His anonymous (racist) boy employees also lack standard security clearance, never mind enhanced.

Would Wes Streeting giving Dominic Cummings a random title entitle DC to then allow a 19-year-old a random person access to your private medical and HMRC records?

OneAmberPeer · 14/02/2025 13:54

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scorpiogirly · 14/02/2025 14:25

NewYorkBuilder · 13/02/2025 23:45

I expect most voting have TDS.

CBA reading the grumbling on this thread suffice to say he’s got the highest approval ratings in the first three weeks of being in office and has achieved more than Biden did in 4 years already.

This new administration are pretty slick, working fast and as one team. Promises made, promises kept.

This. In droves!

StandFirm · 14/02/2025 14:37

Autocrats can be hugely popular, but they're still autocrats. In fact most of them start off with huge approval rates.

Cupcakes2035 · 14/02/2025 14:38

user9876543211 · 14/02/2025 13:54

Musk lacks standard governmental security clearance, never mind enhanced. His anonymous (racist) boy employees also lack standard security clearance, never mind enhanced.

Would Wes Streeting giving Dominic Cummings a random title entitle DC to then allow a 19-year-old a random person access to your private medical and HMRC records?

honestly, i do not know,

TopPocketFind · 14/02/2025 14:53

scorpiogirly · 14/02/2025 14:25

This. In droves!

Exactly what has he achieved?

UnGattino · 14/02/2025 15:16

OnYerselfHen · 14/02/2025 12:56

Just to respond to your second sentence. There was one vote almost 20 years ago. I don't think we can hold the majority of people responsible today for who was voted for in 2006.

This guy Sammy Obeid says it much better than me.

Eh.

I never bought into the whole "Hamas are holding the Palestinian hostages" myth - it is too convenient, and simply lacks evidence, especially given the Euphoria across the strip on Oct 7. We have yet to hear voices from Gaza challenging the fundamental Palestinian ideology of "From the River to the Sea”*, of perpetual
refugeehood and "return" in the name of which October 7th was conducted.

When you have 70% of Gaza's inhabitants, who were born there, registered as "Palestine Refugees", and no one challenges the notion that they are refugees while living in Gaza and possess a "right of return" into a sovereign state in which they never lived, then it is clear that this is a widespread ideology.

There's also the fact that ordinary Gazans were instrumental in the planning of Oct 7.
They befriended the inhabitants of the kibbutzim to gain their trust and (fake) friendship. They then betrayed them by supplying Hamas terrorists with all the information they needed to mount the attack - like hand drawn, detailed maps indicating which houses had children living in them, which houses had dogs, and so on. I would also add, these kibbutzim people were the real deal: they devoted much of their lives to trying to bring about peaceful co-existence with their Gazan neighbours. These Israelis used to drive Palestinian children from Gaza to Israel so that they could attend hospital appointments (medical treatment that wasn't available in Gaza because Hamas either enriches themselves with the international aid or spends the money on weapons to kill Israelis). And how were these poor souls repaid for their efforts? I think we all know the answer to that one: children tortured in front of their parents
and parents tortured in front of their children, rape, mutilation, murder, kidnap etc.

We also know by now that hostages have been hidden throughout Gaza with the support and participation of many Gazans, none of whom have come forth trying to help any of them escape.

In summary then, the biggest problem facing Gaza right now is its politics - its people are committed to an ideology of destruction (sustained in that by organizations like UNRWA) - meaning destroy what the Jews have built next door rather than build for themselves. Even Trump (of all people) seems to have noticed that Gaza's inhabitants could have built for themselves something remarkable on this strip of land, and instead they chose - and it is an ideological choice - to turn it into an integrated weaponized landscape for the singular purpose of destroying Israel.

*or the original Arabic version of that chant, which is itself a less palatable translation:
"From the water to the water, Palestine is
Arab" ...most revealing.

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