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To think Trump might be the right Leader for right now?

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Theemeperorsnewclothes · 12/02/2025 23:25

I am so confused why I am starting to think that Trump might be a good thing right now. I do think he is making the right moves to end conflict right now, which of course can only be a good thing for the poor people suffering in war zones but I’m so conflicted. I was trying to search for why I felt this way and what past war and future war situations might mean with Trump at the helm. Below are notes to myself. I know you educated, worldly wise mums will absolutely be able to educate on what I am missing. I am genuinely interested to hear your perspectives.

Why do wars start?
War is caused by many different things, including competition over land, religious conflicts, and nationalism. Imperialism, racism, and slavery have also been causes of armed conflict.
Why do wars end?
Realistically, wars usually end when one side wins or the parties experience significant war weariness. Thus, World War I was only a temporary end-of-war because there was no clear-cut victory.
We need to put an end to why wars start, not why wars end. Too much devastation and destruction and loss of life when a war starts. In this case, like the war in Gaza there has been no clear “winner” there has been constant and significant “war weariness” but some other country/political party/religious group steps in. However, there is still never a “clear-cut victory”
Tackle the issues that START wars and not STOP wars in the first place. A true leader will make their priority tackling all the issues that start wars. Trump needs to prove himself in this approach.
That said, we are in a very volatile world and ENDING wars is the first priority. Trump appears to have that in his sights. I say this as far left viewer of the world, as opposed to the right take on the world, as it is today.
I don’t care if you are left or right or somewhere in between. War must end now and we must have a leader who can figure out how to stop it happening again. The end. The Leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place, is the one who can save humanity. Right now, we need the wars to end, and like it or not, that is the position we find ourselves in, and that’s why, I currently think it might be Trump.

Anyone have any idea who is the leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place? I’m thinking they would need to be free from corruption and probably not an egotistical, power hungry male.

End of my rant 😁.

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WhereAreWeNow · 14/02/2025 10:53

OP why do you see the solution to all wars as one strong leader?
I think that's a dangerous oversimplification. Wars are complex and often involve many nations, directly or indirectly. The solutions will also be complex and must involve many national leaders.
Ask the people of Gaza or Ukraine whether Trump is helping or hindering their prospects of living in peace.

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StandFirm · 14/02/2025 10:21

If nothing is done to stop this runaway wrecking train, I think the most apt comparison awaiting the US in a couple of years is that of Yeltsin's Russia in the immediate aftermath of the USSR's collapse. Those were the lawless years (that Putin swore Russians would never have to go through ever again, which I assume is mostly why he is still popular over there).

As PP said, I also forgot about Yelstin. Good comparison. It’s also interesting that Yeltsin was a drunk and the oligarchs got in with him because they knew they could take advantage and rob the country.

The same thing is happening with Trump, he may not be a drunk but his narcissism and greed makes it easy for canny people to take advantage. They will wring America dry, leave it a shell then relocate to their homes in New Zealand where many of them have bought passports.

user9876543211 · 14/02/2025 11:05

Cupcakes2035 · 14/02/2025 10:51

and by said rules of a debate, if they say elon is misusing the data he has been given then thats a big accusation and i would expect them to prove the point they made, which follows the rules of how a debate is ment to be carried out

yes its always better to do my own research to counter misinformation,

This is not a debate on the level of, does god exist? This is a debate on the level of, is water wet? You have not come prepared. It would take about ten minutes to arm yourself.

Surely, you're expected to be informed for your study of politics? Degrees are not awarded based on Oxford Union debate rules, alas.

NewYorkBuilder · 14/02/2025 11:06

OneLemonDog · 14/02/2025 00:36

His approval ratings since taking office last month have been some of HIS highest ever, but they are still incredibly low.

Even Biden, who was another very unpopular president, had +18% net approval at this stage of his presidency. Trump is current at about +3.5% and steadily dropping.

Good point and thank you. We need to take into account the negative press and mainstream bias against Trump which affects perception and approval ratings.

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Cupcakes2035 · 14/02/2025 11:12

user9876543211 · 14/02/2025 11:05

This is not a debate on the level of, does god exist? This is a debate on the level of, is water wet? You have not come prepared. It would take about ten minutes to arm yourself.

Surely, you're expected to be informed for your study of politics? Degrees are not awarded based on Oxford Union debate rules, alas.

as we are taught about the rules of debating if i want to say the sky is pink then i have to offer proof of that, its not upto the other side to prove it for me. same on threads on here if people want to say x about elon then they should be able to show their sources, its not upto the reader to research their point for them

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JeremiahBullfrog · 14/02/2025 11:17

Trump's amateurish interference in the Gaza and Ukraine situations runs a very real chance of making things worse. He is also horribly unpredictable so even if he's trying to end wars now he might be deliberately starting a new one next month. You can see from his stance on tariffs and Greenland etc that he's hardly careful about not antagonising other countries.

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Crikeyalmighty · 14/02/2025 11:33

@JeremiahBullfrog he's like a bull in a china shop - no diplomacy skills whatsoever, his version of ending things appears to be that one side are effectively totally silenced by muscle , money and power. I don't think he gets why somecountry's might not just want to 'be owned' by the USA- he is just a thick bully but sadly with a lot of influence and money behind him due to being voted in - unfortunately the USA is sadly full of people who will approve of his tactics. ( UK has a ton of them too)

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user9876543211 · 14/02/2025 11:34

Cupcakes2035 · 14/02/2025 11:12

as we are taught about the rules of debating if i want to say the sky is pink then i have to offer proof of that, its not upto the other side to prove it for me. same on threads on here if people want to say x about elon then they should be able to show their sources, its not upto the reader to research their point for them

You can excuse your own ignorance and lack of information all you want. It doesn't change the fact that you are ignorant and, apparently, uninformed.

As a student of politics, I would think your goal would be to be as broadly and accurately informed as possible without relying on anonymous posters on an internet forum to do the legwork for you. Surely that's expected as part of your degree?

SunnyEagle · 14/02/2025 11:38

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Cupcakes2035 · 14/02/2025 11:54

i understand what your saying , but when a person makes a point its upto the person making the point to prove the point,

user9876543211 · 14/02/2025 12:13

Cupcakes2035 · 14/02/2025 11:54

i understand what your saying , but when a person makes a point its upto the person making the point to prove the point,

Sorry, but that's not how being an informed person in the real world works. Oxford Union debate is essentially an intellectual game. Being an informed citizen is not.

Llttledrummergirl · 14/02/2025 12:23

Cupcakes2035 · 14/02/2025 10:51

and by said rules of a debate, if they say elon is misusing the data he has been given then thats a big accusation and i would expect them to prove the point they made, which follows the rules of how a debate is ment to be carried out

yes its always better to do my own research to counter misinformation,

It's a shame that the research resources are all provided by MAGA. This makes them neither true, or reputable.

Mila6464 · 14/02/2025 12:27

Cupcakes2035 · 13/02/2025 23:43

can you prove he is misusing it ?? nope thought not

Accessing personal information to which he has no right is already misuse. Why does he need access to other people's information? Of what benefit is it to him and the trump regime?

Crikeyalmighty · 14/02/2025 12:31

@Cupcakes2035 the problem is the media have allowed certain politicians to get away with saying the sky is pink for very many years without challenging them in depth as to why they think that is so -

Our newspapers are full of headlines that are blatantly totally one sided and in many cases complete 'opinion based' bollocks- but people believe it and it's plastered all over newsstands 'as if it's factual news'

Good luck with getting many who voted Brexit ( the ones who still think it was a great idea) to offer up instantly a ton of absolutely brilliant tangible benefits ( and I mean now not in 25 years) without me on the other side with a business involving import/export busily explaining why it's a fiscal and logistical total pain in the backside.

Cupcakes2035 · 14/02/2025 12:33

Mila6464 · 14/02/2025 12:27

Accessing personal information to which he has no right is already misuse. Why does he need access to other people's information? Of what benefit is it to him and the trump regime?

but this is the puzzling point trump hired him and gave him permission to do what ever his job role is with the information, i dont see how people are confused about that, just because we presume he should not access the info, then thats between him and his employeer

Crikeyalmighty · 14/02/2025 12:36

@Cupcakes2035 why does he need it then ? if not for nefarious reasons or propaganda- and as far as I'm aware he wasn't voted for either-

This is a guy who set about changing all the algorithms on X to make it a total sea of propaganda and bullshit , conspiracy theorists and trolls -

Musk is a power mad utter narcisstic freak - why not with all that cash set about doing some actual good for those less fortunate in life - you know like Bozos ex wife did or indeed Bill Gates.