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To think Trump might be the right Leader for right now?

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Theemeperorsnewclothes · 12/02/2025 23:25

I am so confused why I am starting to think that Trump might be a good thing right now. I do think he is making the right moves to end conflict right now, which of course can only be a good thing for the poor people suffering in war zones but I’m so conflicted. I was trying to search for why I felt this way and what past war and future war situations might mean with Trump at the helm. Below are notes to myself. I know you educated, worldly wise mums will absolutely be able to educate on what I am missing. I am genuinely interested to hear your perspectives.

Why do wars start?
War is caused by many different things, including competition over land, religious conflicts, and nationalism. Imperialism, racism, and slavery have also been causes of armed conflict.
Why do wars end?
Realistically, wars usually end when one side wins or the parties experience significant war weariness. Thus, World War I was only a temporary end-of-war because there was no clear-cut victory.
We need to put an end to why wars start, not why wars end. Too much devastation and destruction and loss of life when a war starts. In this case, like the war in Gaza there has been no clear “winner” there has been constant and significant “war weariness” but some other country/political party/religious group steps in. However, there is still never a “clear-cut victory”
Tackle the issues that START wars and not STOP wars in the first place. A true leader will make their priority tackling all the issues that start wars. Trump needs to prove himself in this approach.
That said, we are in a very volatile world and ENDING wars is the first priority. Trump appears to have that in his sights. I say this as far left viewer of the world, as opposed to the right take on the world, as it is today.
I don’t care if you are left or right or somewhere in between. War must end now and we must have a leader who can figure out how to stop it happening again. The end. The Leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place, is the one who can save humanity. Right now, we need the wars to end, and like it or not, that is the position we find ourselves in, and that’s why, I currently think it might be Trump.

Anyone have any idea who is the leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place? I’m thinking they would need to be free from corruption and probably not an egotistical, power hungry male.

End of my rant 😁.

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Cupcakes2035 · 13/02/2025 22:56

BanditTheCat · 13/02/2025 22:52

The only way Trump is “brokering a peace deal” as you put it, is because he is Putin’s lapdog and he has likely promised to support Russia in taking over Ukraine and Russia will help him with Israel, and Greenland. You think Biden and the previous administration didn’t want to end Russia’s war with Ukraine? Biden wouldn’t entertain a dictatorship (Russia). Trump however, is willing to get into bed with Putin because he is aiming for a dictatorship too.

Trump is deteriorating mentally and physically and isn’t even the President - Musk is the de facto President. Trump just sold the US to Musk for £270mil.

This week they have got their oligarch friends to take out several important dates out of the Google calendar, including Pride Month and Black History Month. Do you know anyone who is gay? Do you know anyone who is black? He is beginning to remove them from history and society, and then from existence. He is beginning ethnic cleansing.

He buried his ex-wife Ivanka in an unkempt, unmarked grave on one of this golf courses as a tax break.

I could cite a hundred other things, but if you’re a woman, can you really support a convicted rapist? A bankrupt, tax-dodging fraudulent rapist. Trump ran for office to avoid prison.

No, he is not the President the world needs. He is leading us into dystopia. It’s time for grandpa to take the dirt nap.

from a democratic process alot of men and women must of supported trump in voting for him, so the question considering the outcome was trump do people still think democracy is the best way for the leader of a country ?

Donttellempike · 13/02/2025 22:57

Cupcakes2035 · 13/02/2025 22:54

two different aspects, just because one happened does not auto mean the same will happen again

maybe read some history

scorpiogirly · 13/02/2025 22:59

At least he's doing what he said he was going to do. More than we can say for the germ we have.

Cupcakes2035 · 13/02/2025 22:59

Donttellempike · 13/02/2025 22:57

maybe read some history

yes and its still a false conclusion to assume one event in history will happen excatly the same in the present, we dont know what the security services know etc there could be something special about ukraine, that the public dont know and thats why the intrest in it from russia etc

Isittimeformynapyet · 13/02/2025 23:00

Donotwantnot · 12/02/2025 23:36

I think Trump and Elon are doing some amazing things right now. And I’m firmly on Israel’s side.

😂😅😂🤣😭🤣😂😅😭😂🤣😅😭🤣😂😅 good one!

That was a joke, wasn't it... ?

Cupcakes2035 · 13/02/2025 23:04

Donald Trump: Reduced unemployment to a 50-year low (3.5%)., Signed over 50 executive orders on key issues. Helped lower inflation from previous highs.

Elon Musk: SpaceX made space travel cheaper with reusable rockets. Boosted renewable energy use, like solar power in Australia. Led Tesla in advancing electric vehicles for a greener future.

Mila6464 · 13/02/2025 23:05

scorpiogirly · 13/02/2025 22:59

At least he's doing what he said he was going to do. More than we can say for the germ we have.

It makes you happy that he is trying to deport 10 million people? It makes you happy that he has told the military to stop enrolling black people? It makes you happy that some teenaged hackers have access to the treasury department with everyone's tax details and bank accounts? Are you happy that he has threatened allies? Don't call Kier Starmer filthy names, at least he can act like a decent human being unlike your idol.

Cupcakes2035 · 13/02/2025 23:07

Mila6464 · 13/02/2025 23:05

It makes you happy that he is trying to deport 10 million people? It makes you happy that he has told the military to stop enrolling black people? It makes you happy that some teenaged hackers have access to the treasury department with everyone's tax details and bank accounts? Are you happy that he has threatened allies? Don't call Kier Starmer filthy names, at least he can act like a decent human being unlike your idol.

there is no proof for any of those claims about trump

BanditTheCat · 13/02/2025 23:07

Cupcakes2035 · 13/02/2025 22:56

from a democratic process alot of men and women must of supported trump in voting for him, so the question considering the outcome was trump do people still think democracy is the best way for the leader of a country ?

I don’t understand what you mean.

Trump promised to bring down the price of groceries and make everyone better off, completely unfounded, with no explanation of how, there was no plan (“concepts of a plan”) and sadly swathes of uneducated voters (a bit like here with Brexit, as ‘What is Brexit’ peaked on Google search the day after the referendum result) believed him unequivocally. He just said a bunch of stuff along the lines of “Everything will be cheaper and prices will come down and I’ll put tariffs on stuff coming into the US which will mean US production will skyrocket” with no explanation of how. He also baselessly said Haitian people were eating cats and dogs in Springfield, Ohio, which led to targeted attacks on Haitian people in that city because they might be immigrants.

I can’t say why folk voted for him, it genuinely beggars belief.

Cupcakes2035 · 13/02/2025 23:09

BanditTheCat · 13/02/2025 23:07

I don’t understand what you mean.

Trump promised to bring down the price of groceries and make everyone better off, completely unfounded, with no explanation of how, there was no plan (“concepts of a plan”) and sadly swathes of uneducated voters (a bit like here with Brexit, as ‘What is Brexit’ peaked on Google search the day after the referendum result) believed him unequivocally. He just said a bunch of stuff along the lines of “Everything will be cheaper and prices will come down and I’ll put tariffs on stuff coming into the US which will mean US production will skyrocket” with no explanation of how. He also baselessly said Haitian people were eating cats and dogs in Springfield, Ohio, which led to targeted attacks on Haitian people in that city because they might be immigrants.

I can’t say why folk voted for him, it genuinely beggars belief.

they knew he was a criminal and of his behaviours , yet women and men voted for him, so yea they knew he was a bad apple even without his promises they knew his character, so based on this, are people still willing to have democracy when it results in trump ?

Llttledrummergirl · 13/02/2025 23:10

I do wish I didn't have to keep reading the same script over and over and over. It's tedious.

Trump is the messiah, down with labour.

Please try something different, maybe down with labour, Trump is the messiah?

Mila6464 · 13/02/2025 23:13

Cupcakes2035 · 13/02/2025 23:04

Donald Trump: Reduced unemployment to a 50-year low (3.5%)., Signed over 50 executive orders on key issues. Helped lower inflation from previous highs.

Elon Musk: SpaceX made space travel cheaper with reusable rockets. Boosted renewable energy use, like solar power in Australia. Led Tesla in advancing electric vehicles for a greener future.

Don't be ridiculous. He has reduced unemployment in 3 weeks? He has signed executive orders on plastic straws, renaming the gulf of Mexico and released 1600 dangerous people who attacked the Capitol.

As for musk, he started taking his son everywhere so that a Luigi mangioni character can't shoot him. He holds him on his shoulders like a bullet proof cover. There is little public transport around America but we can go to mars with a bargain ticket! I understand that people are now boycotting tesla

Cupcakes2035 · 13/02/2025 23:15

Mila6464 · 13/02/2025 23:13

Don't be ridiculous. He has reduced unemployment in 3 weeks? He has signed executive orders on plastic straws, renaming the gulf of Mexico and released 1600 dangerous people who attacked the Capitol.

As for musk, he started taking his son everywhere so that a Luigi mangioni character can't shoot him. He holds him on his shoulders like a bullet proof cover. There is little public transport around America but we can go to mars with a bargain ticket! I understand that people are now boycotting tesla

" I understand that people are now boycotting tesla"
for what good it would do, they dont have the numbers

Mila6464 · 13/02/2025 23:20

Cupcakes2035 · 13/02/2025 23:15

" I understand that people are now boycotting tesla"
for what good it would do, they dont have the numbers

It will upset the little egomaniac.

Cupcakes2035 · 13/02/2025 23:21

Mila6464 · 13/02/2025 23:20

It will upset the little egomaniac.

doubtful, hes got his mind on bigger projects

Mila6464 · 13/02/2025 23:23

Cupcakes2035 · 13/02/2025 23:21

doubtful, hes got his mind on bigger projects

Yes like acquiring everyone's personal data and accessing all the funds in the treasury...

Crikeyalmighty · 13/02/2025 23:24

Well he's excelled himself tonight in proving he has zero idea how VAT works - we need to be aligning ourself with the EU in some kind of agreement to balance out any lost trade and just leaving the US to it-

Cupcakes2035 · 13/02/2025 23:26

Mila6464 · 13/02/2025 23:23

Yes like acquiring everyone's personal data and accessing all the funds in the treasury...

people cannot complain about the data, the majority of the public already gave that to facebook years ago

XWKD · 13/02/2025 23:26

Crikeyalmighty · 13/02/2025 23:24

Well he's excelled himself tonight in proving he has zero idea how VAT works - we need to be aligning ourself with the EU in some kind of agreement to balance out any lost trade and just leaving the US to it-

I know. 🤣 He's such a fucking moron.

Mila6464 · 13/02/2025 23:26

Oh I forgot, he wants to invite all the white south Africans to come to America to recreate an apartheid state. The poor lambs are in need of asylum despite still having all the capital in south Africa

Mila6464 · 13/02/2025 23:28

Cupcakes2035 · 13/02/2025 23:26

people cannot complain about the data, the majority of the public already gave that to facebook years ago

Did people give their bank details, savings accounts, social security numbers, tax details to Facebook?

scorpiogirly · 13/02/2025 23:29

Mila6464 · 13/02/2025 23:05

It makes you happy that he is trying to deport 10 million people? It makes you happy that he has told the military to stop enrolling black people? It makes you happy that some teenaged hackers have access to the treasury department with everyone's tax details and bank accounts? Are you happy that he has threatened allies? Don't call Kier Starmer filthy names, at least he can act like a decent human being unlike your idol.

Calm down love. I didn't give my opinion on Trump. But I will call Starmer anything I want. He's a disgusting specimen.

Mila6464 · 13/02/2025 23:30

scorpiogirly · 13/02/2025 23:29

Calm down love. I didn't give my opinion on Trump. But I will call Starmer anything I want. He's a disgusting specimen.

I think you would benefit from calming down. He isn't worse than trump

Cupcakes2035 · 13/02/2025 23:32

Mila6464 · 13/02/2025 23:28

Did people give their bank details, savings accounts, social security numbers, tax details to Facebook?

well when you use the apps you give the details to the tech companies etc, besides how is elon any different than any other fed worker ? non of them are elected by the people so in a sense elon is just another worker ?

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 13/02/2025 23:36

Cupcakes2035 · 13/02/2025 23:32

well when you use the apps you give the details to the tech companies etc, besides how is elon any different than any other fed worker ? non of them are elected by the people so in a sense elon is just another worker ?

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I can choose to give them to my bank, that’s not the same as someone taking them.

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