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To think Trump might be the right Leader for right now?

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Theemeperorsnewclothes · 12/02/2025 23:25

I am so confused why I am starting to think that Trump might be a good thing right now. I do think he is making the right moves to end conflict right now, which of course can only be a good thing for the poor people suffering in war zones but I’m so conflicted. I was trying to search for why I felt this way and what past war and future war situations might mean with Trump at the helm. Below are notes to myself. I know you educated, worldly wise mums will absolutely be able to educate on what I am missing. I am genuinely interested to hear your perspectives.

Why do wars start?
War is caused by many different things, including competition over land, religious conflicts, and nationalism. Imperialism, racism, and slavery have also been causes of armed conflict.
Why do wars end?
Realistically, wars usually end when one side wins or the parties experience significant war weariness. Thus, World War I was only a temporary end-of-war because there was no clear-cut victory.
We need to put an end to why wars start, not why wars end. Too much devastation and destruction and loss of life when a war starts. In this case, like the war in Gaza there has been no clear “winner” there has been constant and significant “war weariness” but some other country/political party/religious group steps in. However, there is still never a “clear-cut victory”
Tackle the issues that START wars and not STOP wars in the first place. A true leader will make their priority tackling all the issues that start wars. Trump needs to prove himself in this approach.
That said, we are in a very volatile world and ENDING wars is the first priority. Trump appears to have that in his sights. I say this as far left viewer of the world, as opposed to the right take on the world, as it is today.
I don’t care if you are left or right or somewhere in between. War must end now and we must have a leader who can figure out how to stop it happening again. The end. The Leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place, is the one who can save humanity. Right now, we need the wars to end, and like it or not, that is the position we find ourselves in, and that’s why, I currently think it might be Trump.

Anyone have any idea who is the leader who can STOP wars happening in the first place? I’m thinking they would need to be free from corruption and probably not an egotistical, power hungry male.

End of my rant 😁.

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Nanny0gg · 13/02/2025 22:05

EasternStandard · 13/02/2025 20:25

Here's the article

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-approval-rating-poll-doge-b2695056.html#

I know it's stark contrast to mn but the happier people are there with his policies, the inverse on here maybe

Trump hits highest approval mark of either term as new poll finds America loves his policies

I'm not sure they'll feel the same when Elon has finished decimating every welfare and health dept in the country.

OneLemonDog · 13/02/2025 22:05

NATO is defunct. Europe needs to invest strongly in its own defence, including against the threat of the USA.

Cupcakes2035 · 13/02/2025 22:06

OneLemonDog · 13/02/2025 22:05

NATO is defunct. Europe needs to invest strongly in its own defence, including against the threat of the USA.

how is the usa a threat ?

OneLemonDog · 13/02/2025 22:12

Cupcakes2035 · 13/02/2025 22:06

how is the usa a threat ?

I mean, they've threatened to invade Greenland, which is part of a European country - what more do you need?

Llttledrummergirl · 13/02/2025 22:12

It has a nutcase in charge, supported by idiots, supremacists, liars and thieves.

Cupcakes2035 · 13/02/2025 22:16

OneLemonDog · 13/02/2025 22:12

I mean, they've threatened to invade Greenland, which is part of a European country - what more do you need?

a lot more than that, they are still uk allies

OneLemonDog · 13/02/2025 22:19

Cupcakes2035 · 13/02/2025 22:16

a lot more than that, they are still uk allies

Well, if you read my post, I said "Europe", not specifically the UK.

But Musk has, obviously, been seeking to destabilize the UK government and the UK would do well to be mindful of that.

Further, Trump's placating of Putin is not good for any European country, the UK included.

Cupcakes2035 · 13/02/2025 22:20

OneLemonDog · 13/02/2025 22:19

Well, if you read my post, I said "Europe", not specifically the UK.

But Musk has, obviously, been seeking to destabilize the UK government and the UK would do well to be mindful of that.

Further, Trump's placating of Putin is not good for any European country, the UK included.

but at the same time, the uk is not innocent when dablling with other country politics too

Jillfi · 13/02/2025 22:22

Maybe. However they must find a way to put an end to these conflicts. Putin has the bomb so if they don't get around a table, he'll let it run till he dies to avoid ending up in the Hague.

Cupcakes2035 · 13/02/2025 22:23

Jillfi · 13/02/2025 22:22

Maybe. However they must find a way to put an end to these conflicts. Putin has the bomb so if they don't get around a table, he'll let it run till he dies to avoid ending up in the Hague.

but at the same time as if they would ever get putin in the hague to begin with, the barriers are high Russia’s power, international politics, and the ICC’s limited abilities etc

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 13/02/2025 22:34

Donotwantnot · 13/02/2025 15:40

I could tell you he was sending rockets to space and you’d still not be impressed…

Wait a second! 👌🏻

I think you’re being serious but this has made me giggle.

I wouldn’t want an astronaut in charge of the military so not sure how this would qualify Elon for a government official.

Cupcakes2035 · 13/02/2025 22:35

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 13/02/2025 22:34

I think you’re being serious but this has made me giggle.

I wouldn’t want an astronaut in charge of the military so not sure how this would qualify Elon for a government official.

If the team was SG1, then id have them in charge

Jillfi · 13/02/2025 22:36

Cupcakes2035 · 13/02/2025 22:23

but at the same time as if they would ever get putin in the hague to begin with, the barriers are high Russia’s power, international politics, and the ICC’s limited abilities etc

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A new leader or faction of the party would turn on him I feel. He's cornered.

Cupcakes2035 · 13/02/2025 22:37

Jillfi · 13/02/2025 22:36

A new leader or faction of the party would turn on him I feel. He's cornered.

he has too many connections and influence etc its very unlikely

pinkstripeycat · 13/02/2025 22:38

HellNoWay · 12/02/2025 23:33

No.

I am so angry with Trump I could explode. The Palestinian people have endured years and years of being systematically removed from their land. They've experienced multiple wars and for the last 15 months Palestinians living in gaza have been bombed, traumatised, had all their schools blown to bits, loved ones murdered, hospitals destroyed, infrastructure destroyed, and every single person in gaza has been utterly traumatised.

Now Trump is coming along telling them he not only agrees with their ethnic cleansing, but that he wants to steal their land himself and turn it into some kind of play thing, some real estate opportunity. How dare he. How fucking dare he.

After all they've been through.

I can't stand the evil psychopathic monster.

Honestly I hate the man.

As if Netenyahu wasn't bad enough.

Evil greedy men with power make me feel sick to my stomach. Where the fuck is his humanity. Where?

You are happy with Hamas then? You do know they were voted in by Palestinians don’t you?They run Palestine. You agree with the murder and torture of all those young adults that triggered the war, yes?

Bloody hell!

Nowthesaidmother · 13/02/2025 22:40

Theemeperorsnewclothes · 12/02/2025 23:34

I completely understand where you are coming from. However this “orange psychopath” appears to be brokering peace deals for now. But only for now.

But peace for who?

Do you really think him and Putin will have Ukraine's best interests at heart?

Putin obviously has something on him.

Jillfi · 13/02/2025 22:48

Cupcakes2035 · 13/02/2025 22:37

he has too many connections and influence etc its very unlikely

It nearly happened to him with Prigozhin already. He was weakened for several days.

Nevertrustacop · 13/02/2025 22:48

Will a peace deal prevent so many Ukrainian, Russian and North Korean men from being killed? Yes very likely. That is the most important thing. Ideologically it's not what I want, nor what President Zelenskyy wants I'm guessing, but if it will save lives it needs to be explored. There is nothing else on the table. Pragmatism over pride.

Donttellempike · 13/02/2025 22:52

Nevertrustacop · 13/02/2025 22:48

Will a peace deal prevent so many Ukrainian, Russian and North Korean men from being killed? Yes very likely. That is the most important thing. Ideologically it's not what I want, nor what President Zelenskyy wants I'm guessing, but if it will save lives it needs to be explored. There is nothing else on the table. Pragmatism over pride.

If Putin gets Ukraine handed to him on a plate do you think he’s see going to stop there?

Did Hitler stop when Poland was thrown under a bus?

BanditTheCat · 13/02/2025 22:52

The only way Trump is “brokering a peace deal” as you put it, is because he is Putin’s lapdog and he has likely promised to support Russia in taking over Ukraine and Russia will help him with Israel, and Greenland. You think Biden and the previous administration didn’t want to end Russia’s war with Ukraine? Biden wouldn’t entertain a dictatorship (Russia). Trump however, is willing to get into bed with Putin because he is aiming for a dictatorship too.

Trump is deteriorating mentally and physically and isn’t even the President - Musk is the de facto President. Trump just sold the US to Musk for £270mil.

This week they have got their oligarch friends to take out several important dates out of the Google calendar, including Pride Month and Black History Month. Do you know anyone who is gay? Do you know anyone who is black? He is beginning to remove them from history and society, and then from existence. He is beginning ethnic cleansing.

He buried his ex-wife Ivanka in an unkempt, unmarked grave on one of this golf courses as a tax break.

I could cite a hundred other things, but if you’re a woman, can you really support a convicted rapist? A bankrupt, tax-dodging fraudulent rapist. Trump ran for office to avoid prison.

No, he is not the President the world needs. He is leading us into dystopia. It’s time for grandpa to take the dirt nap.

Blinky21 · 13/02/2025 22:53

You do realise his peace deal is basically just giving Russia what it wants? What he is trying to do in Ukraine and Gaza is disgusting

Cupcakes2035 · 13/02/2025 22:54

Donttellempike · 13/02/2025 22:52

If Putin gets Ukraine handed to him on a plate do you think he’s see going to stop there?

Did Hitler stop when Poland was thrown under a bus?

two different aspects, just because one happened does not auto mean the same will happen again

FartyPants9 · 13/02/2025 22:54

WillIEverBeOk · 13/02/2025 06:34

Restoring womens and girls rights is not 'transphobic' unless you're femphobic and believe in the erasure of all women and girls sex-based rights.

One of the most fundamental womens rights is the right to have an abortion, the republican party has erased abortion rights in the US, Trump is anti-woman.

Toddlerteaplease · 13/02/2025 22:55

No. He's incredibly dangerous and as thick as mince.

HangingOver · 13/02/2025 22:55

XWKD · 12/02/2025 23:47

Trump is a cunt.

This, basically.

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