To believe that eating meat should be illegal?

[BySpoonyBlueScroller]

The environmental damage and animal cruelty outweighs the cultural or personal benefits. AIBU to think it’s time to outlaw meat production?

Several posters, myself included, have asked this very question and highlighted the environmental issues.

Some posters are too busy throwing insults around to engage in actual discussion about the practicalities of this which are fundamental, because it’s not going to be more environmentally positive and it would endanger a lot of peoples food supply.

No it’s not

I think that your idea says more about you than anything else. The reason vegans and a lot of vegetarians have to put up with stick online and in the office is this sort of militancy from a few extremists like you (and a depressing number of others on this thread).

I imagine that having children has a a greater environmental impact than the difference between veganism and a "normal" diet. Got any ideas to fix that one? Actually I think I'd rather not know.

I dont believe it is either or else the fact that you can create farms that are better for the environment than leaving the ground to scrub up would have garnered some interest on here.

I can provide examples of farms thst are carbon negative but no one was interested. The impact on ecology was completely ignored.

this wasn't a debate to widen opinions and understand what we could do to make the world a better place, it was just entrenched rhetoric - on both sides - and I regret posting on it. i didn't help and I have a potentially poorly animal i could worry about instead.

maybe someone would find these people interesting.

Pasture for Life

Plenty of vegan athletes here

www.veganfoodandliving.com/features/vegan-athletes-plant-based-diet/

What a load of bollocks.

We are omnivores.

Why?

Do you have a qualification in Agricultural Studies?

We can all grow some of our own food -

https://hub.suttons.co.uk/gardening-advice/how-to-grow-patio-fruit-and-vegetables

You really think growing some veg in tubs on your patio is going to sustain a family of 5? 🙈🤣

No, but it will help and (depending on their age) the DCs will learn about food production.

Home grown food is so tasty as well...

The naivety is something to behold

Don't knock what you haven't tried. 🙂

I grow beans, tomatoes and potatoes - and I don't have a lot of space.

We have tomatoes from June to October, and they are beautiful and sweet - not like those plumped up watery ones from the supermarket. If any don't ripen I make Green Tomato Chutney.

I blanche the beans and freeze them.

I sow the potatoes in stages so they can be harvested in rotation.

And I have a composter for using up veg scraps and making 'fertiliser'.

Additive-filled meat-substitutes should be illegal. Goes both ways....

Do all you ideological vegans understand that once these animals are gone, they are gone. There is no bringing them back once it’s realized that it was a huge mistake and the population cannot be fed and sustained on vegetables alone. What if changing weather patterns means that crops are destroyed or will not grow?

What’s not?

I. Once visited dine Gaushslas (cow shelters) in India which are run according to Vedic principles. The cow is the 'Mata' (mother). Basically, cows are never separated from calves. Nor are they over-milked (they only ever take milk from one side). There is a small shop attached to the Gaushala, selling what must have been over 200 'Gauvedic' products which are made from dairy and Ayurvedic plants they grow themselves.

It's not just a business though. There is a school within the Gaushala -classrooms right next to the cows. The children learn a self-sustaining way of life. For instance, the cow dung is used as a slow burning fuel - perfect for cooking dhals etc. Nothing is wasted. The ash from the burning cow dung is used to wash the dishes - the children showed us how to smear the metal trays and their cups with ash and explained how it is alkaline so cuts through grease. They all do this, so methodically. All the children are strikingly calm. It's quite astonishing to see how heathy they are - mentally and physically. They all come for lunch as if it's a meditation. They have veg curry or lentil dhal, rice, chapati, a yogurt lassi, etc. They know exactly where their food comes from. They take you around the gardens and proudly show you the size if the okra.

The Gaushala (and others like it) produce a natural fertiliser from cow urine. Most days, they bring farmers in from all over the state and teach them how to use this fertiliser. I can't recall how exactly, but once farmers have one bottle of this fertiliser solution, they can just keep adding to it and producing more. They teach them how to live sustainably, alongside the cows. How to rotate crops. It a way of life. The children told me they could use Vedic principles live anywhere. Harmony not exploitation.

OP, you do realise that over half the population of UK would starve to death as we cannot produce enough food to allow that.

Hill farms raise sheep as no crops can be grown on the land is just an example.

Humans are omnivores. Our natural diet is a mix of meat and veg. Get over it.

That's incorrect,

If you didn't see my previous post about terracing, here's more info -

https://eos.com/blog/terrace-farming/

Of course if there are rocky outcrops it can be problematic.

He do you know what I have tried? Growing veg in your garden is fantastic, agreed. But the vast, vast majority would not be able to deliver more than a tiny proportion of their nutritional needs from food they grow themselves.

Its bollocks because humans need meat proteins - for amino acids, enzymes and other various tissues that aid human health.

So yeah, making it illegal to eat meat is a load of bollocks.

Its bollocks because humans need meat proteins - for amino acids, enzymes and other various tissues that aid human health.

That's incorrect because humans are omnivores. Yes we need proteins but not necessarily from meat
Cat's are carnivores. If they don't get taurine (an amino acid found in meat) they become unwell.
That's why some vegans don't have cats as pets.
Dogs on the other hand are omnivores, so they can be fed on a meat-free diet.

making it illegal to eat meat is a load of bollocks.

Now that I agree with. 🙂

Look, you do you but please stop trying to influence other people with this sort of over-the-top posting.

What does this mean and who are you talking to?

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You can grow more niche varieties, true. Some taste better, some don't.
I have a very small, much loved garden with tubs. I have tried growing tomatoes, onions and carrots, also courgettes.
Growing in compost, not soil so expensive. Can't have a compost heap as we then instantly got rats.
Tomatoes can be tricky, there are lots of pests and diseases and one tup of French beans produced enough beans for one meal.
If I were younger/fitter, I'd love an allotment but patio gardening (no small children to teach) is simply not economic.