Angela from Housing

[billysboy]

Ainu to think Angela Rayners has been set up to fail on her 1.5m homes target ?
you can barely get planning permission through for a small extension in under 10 weeks let alone 1.5 m new homes
Every month that goes by the shortage compounds
I wonder if Kier has set her up to fail

Yes I heard on Sky that there's a meeting next week. Good luck to the farmers!

Good luck indeed to the farmers. I have never met a lazy farmer and for god sake - they provide our food. If part of a farm need to be sold to pay Inheirtance Tax then who is going to stop foreign investors for grabbing land and then we are in the hands of overseas investors. Nice.....

Actually businesses get relief from IHT much of the time, as buildings, machinery and unlisted shares generally attract Business Relief. And I think is also changing under the governments anti-growth budget.

Back to Ange, and houses she hasn't built

The housing development that Starmer went to today for a photo op (before having to flee from the farmers) was started 2 years ago.
He donned his Bob the Builder costume to pose at a site started under the conservatives.

We have less tradespeople than ever before. They are leaving in their droves and not being replaced. Who does Angela think is going to build 1,500,000 houses?

Oh its billysboy from Mumsnet again with another misogynistic thread that's set to fail.

She would have to import them, there's no other way that I can see. Labour have gone all anti immigrant now though so I'm not sure how that would work.

I don't know, Reeves is going to put her customer service experience to good use and cure the disabled at the spring announcement so that they can get to work. Given that miracles are in the pipeline, it's surely no leap to whittle them in to sparkies/ plumbers/ plasterers and bricklayers, right? No sweat. You're just not being POSITIVE enough.

This post is an image of our society.

Your next door has a large beautiful house with a garden full of roses. Your own house it's tiny and crumbling. Surely it's unfair so you start pissing on his roses. Neighbour gets fed up, converts the house to tiny flats, builds a few garages in the garden and sells them off. You now have crowd of neighbours so it's noisy, road is constantly busy, some of them are antisocial, cause troubles etc. But you're happy that life is fair.

Farming is one of the most difficult businesses. B&B, shops, nearly any other business can attract people with no previous experience and some of them will stick. It's nearly unheard of for people outside of farming dynasties to go into farming. Loss of another shop is painful but not the end of the world. Loss of country's own farming means food supply, especially in this geological climate, is a true and real disaster.
But that's fine, we just want it fair, no matter how bad.

A few weeks ago 1kg of chicken breasts in M&S were £10. Today they were £14.48. I DO know that I can buy Aldi value range instead. But that one increased in price as well. But hey, let's farmers and businesses pay their IHT and NI and NMW and everything else.

You know, people deserve governments they have (who in turn have them).

@nearlylovemyusername

Oof! You're on fire! Excellent post 👏

Those businesses that you claim pay inheritance tax can currently claim BPR when inherited,at a rate of anything from 100% to 50%.,so the same as farmers,they will be affected by the changes,the same as farmers,BUT,the return on those businesses is far greater than the average farm income is. Companies that have to own large premises or land to park vehicles on will be worst affected,IE,livery yards,plant hire companies,transport and haulage businesses.

I don't know what you class as "real family farms"? We own a family farm,been in the family for 100 years,5 generations. It's as small a farm as can still be economically viable at 200 acres. We will be badly hit by the changes to APR and BPR. Interestingly,there were a lot of tenant farmers on the coach with me to London on Monday. They will be hit too,as they explained. If their land owner's family have to sell land to pay the tax bill,are they going to sell the land that they themselves are farming,or the land that their tenant is farming? And that tenant will still get stung as when inheritance tax is calculated,they list everything,the land, buildings,equipment,vehicles,livestock,chemicals,tools,they even count the bales of hay and straw in the shed.
It's very clear that this policy is the politics of envy writ large,but,you reap what you sow,and I'm sure that the resulting food shortages will save the NHS a fortune on anti fat jabs.

I'm sure that the resulting food shortages will save the NHS a fortune on anti fat jabs.

It won't. Given how Starmer "bent the knee" to Trump on AI memo, he will open the borders to cheap US crap, hormonal chicken tights 1kg each anyone??

Land will be sold so Dale Vince can build his pylons, what not to like?

Public will be happy.

@Feckedupbundle
I support you with all my heart, our farmers should be protected and cherished above most of others, but hey

@Feckedupbundle it's so shortsighted to go for food security in the way Labour are

Mn can be a bit like that too. Good luck I hope they listen

@nearlylovemyusername Dale Vince god 🤦‍♀️where to start he is in the next town to me he owns the old tax office building opposite his ecotricity office nothing is being done with it you would think he’d turn it into housing but no. He must have a big PR machine as he’s everywhere I see him at the swankiest health club such a hypocrite giving £5 mill to labour £100k to Cheltenham Muslim society undisclosed to just stop oil he’s unbearable

Another casualty of the vat on schools this am another school closing in June. I was just struck by the decency the headmaster gave in the closing letter decency that the front bench would sneer and laugh at. That gaslighting speech Starmer gave yesterday after the farmers blockade after he was rescued by a helicopter more air miles anyone ?

@Parsley1234
I'm sure Phillipson will be very happy that another school is closing. FGK and his appalling cabinet couldn't even spell the word decency.

Remember all the abuse they gave Sunak for using helicopters?

I often see people here rubbing their hands with glee regarding private schools closing. They believe that these parents can now improve state schools with their sharp elbows. What does it say about the current parents in state schools? Do they not care or are not capable of doing anything about the crap teaching and schools being run for the benefit of the staff unless these parents are there?

What will happen is that 'some' schools will become available to only parents who can afford the surrounding area. This will mean that some people will not be able to go to the school and there will be sink schools and a massive rush for the better schools and those parents with sharp elbows will get in.

The private and public schools which are admired the world over will be full of for example Russian oligarchs, Nigerian Princes or the Royal family from the Far East. Some of the money used is dirty money. Is that we we really want?

What will happen is that 'some' schools will become available to only parents who can afford the surrounding area. This will mean that some people will not be able to go to the school and there will be sink schools and a massive rush for the better schools and those parents with sharp elbows will get in

I'm totally against the vat changes on private schooling, but you realise that this is the state of play already?

@MichaelandKirk What you describe about state schools has been happening for years - it also has a huge impact on house prices, linking back to the original thread title. And ‘sharp elbows’ often also means short-term rentals in catchments, use of relative’s addresses, purchasing of second properties and other ways to beat/cheat the system. There is a rather problematic subtext and message being communicated to the children by some of these parents, but that seems to be the price they’re happy to pay to get into those schools. As an addition, your condescension of state school parents reflects nothing but your own ignorance of 93% of the population.

On a wider context, data shows that on average between 50 and 85 private schools have closed each year, over the last decade - these have had nothing to do with the Labour government’s decision to end their VAT exemption. It’s to be expected that there will be much criticism of this policy and lots of outrage, but some perspective is also needed.

Actually your figure of closures is incorrect

The figure of mainstream indy schools closing is lower

How so? Happy to be contradicted - here are my sources for the figures I referenced.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2024/oct/26/no-rise-private-school-closures-england-since-labour-vat-proposal-data

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2024-09-09/debates/255AFB5F-4F8A-4788-BB5D-C74C71FE7AC1/PrivateSchoolClosures

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/is-vat-on-fees-really-to-blame-for-private-school-closures/

Excluding private special schools, around 50 private schools close each year. There are a range of reasons for closure, including financial viability and departmental action where schools are not meeting required standards. Some 1,102 private schools closed between 11 May 2010 and 5 July 2024

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2024-09-09/debates/255AFB5F-4F8A-4788-BB5D-C74C71FE7AC1/PrivateSchoolClosures

Snap @Sherbs12!

Ah the unbiased Guardian and government source in the commins debate!
I have posted the data but it is under review by MN as it is in am image