Angela from Housing

[billysboy]

Ainu to think Angela Rayners has been set up to fail on her 1.5m homes target ?
you can barely get planning permission through for a small extension in under 10 weeks let alone 1.5 m new homes
Every month that goes by the shortage compounds
I wonder if Kier has set her up to fail

The Conservative legacy of Brexit has cost the UK economy dearly

£140bn so far and an estimated £311bn by 2035

I usually agree with your posts, so I'm quite surprised at this one. Is it what happened to the self employed that you're upset about, and do you think Reeves would have done better during covid?

This doc is six months old and fcst didn't materialise.

Another link here, recent one

Five factors we use to track recession risk, and what they say now | J.P. Morgan Private Bank U.S.

They now say the chance of recession is about 20%.
Not for UK though

Of course he wasn't brilliant. It was an extraordinary situation never experienced before, his response was not that different to other countries who tried to support business.

He's still way more competent than current lot. And it says a lot about them.
He was spot on in his pre election analysis of Labour manifesto though. Masses didn't believe him so we deserve what we have now.

And let's face it - even without his wife's wealth he's very rich. Yes, he was privately educated but he made his fortune himself mainly. UK public can never accept this success. He tried to be rational, he had no chance.

He was spot on in his pre election analysis of Labour manifesto though. Masses didn't believe him so we deserve what we have now.

Yep

@nearlylovemyusername You are right, I just did a quick google- yes you are right that document is a bit older.
But the wider point is true, and whether Trump likes it or not, we are all in a global economy with the same headwinds affecting everybody (Ukraine/Palestine/energy & transport costs etc). US tariffs could make things a whole lot worse, and you cannot take the UK economy in isolation.
You also need to give the incoming government a bit of time - so far they have increased the minimum wage, looked elsewhere from the ordinary tax payer to find money for necessary spending. I hope they make their housebuilding targets, because we all know that affordable housing is needed for everybody, and that is woefully short.

so far they have increased the minimum wage, looked elsewhere from the ordinary tax payer to find money for necessary spending

But this is causing job losses because they've gone after the very people they need to create wealth and growth. Businesses will not invest or grow in this climate.

It;'s that he put in stupidly restrictive rules for genuinely self employed and freelancers with no obvious logic nor reason, but allowed grants and loans to fraudsters without any checks and balances at all. Then more of a travesty was not acknowledging his mistakes, lying in Parliament about it, and not changing his stupidly onerous rules when it was clear that they were unfair and damaging. There were people buying "off the shelf" and second hand limited companies from Ebay, claiming they were genuine businesses with no evidence at all, getting grants and loans which they never had any intention of paying back. Whereas a genuine business that fell foul of one of the many stupid exclusions got bugger all for no fault of their own and those genuine ones who took loans but unable to repay them due to their business collapsing due to covid, are now being hounded and some forced into bankruptcy to repay them.

Fair enough, and thanks, you make a good argument. I agree that there should have been better checks and balances at the time, but I can also appreciate the unprecedented nature of the situation, and why there wasn't. Sunak's policies were a life safer for us so I suppose i view it through a different lense. I don't think we would have seen any lockdowns at all if Sunak had had his way.

That's weird isn't it, scratches head.

So Reform are in front of the yougov polls for voting intention, yet those polled prefer Starmer to Farage. How does that work!

Voting intention is a better indicator out of polls. Because it's the vote that counts in the end

He managed to lose the UK £11BILLION by failing to insure huge debt stocks against interest rate hikes'

The Conservative legacy of the Rwanda plan cost the UK at least £318 million

Maybe labour should have given it a go, seeing as so much money had already been spent!

How much is it all costing now?

Labour will lose voters on the 'smash the gangs' policy as it'll fail

Ah well. Thats £11bn less for Ed Miliband to spaff. Have you heard his wind turbine song where he plays his ukulele? Always cheers me up when I need a boost.

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@bemoresloth that's not a figure on cost

It must be a fortune. Even more than that failing on 'stopping gangs' as pledged will help Reform

Public services need to be paid for, and minimum wage needed increasing after the ridiculous inflation we had been suffering.
Would you rather that our infrastructure collapsed entirely, and that people at the poorer end got no help?
Growth is absolutely needed but there are other things which are also priorities.

I thought you might be interested @EasternStandard , my mistake

You really think it would cost more than sending zero people to Rwanda (excluding MP's)?

@Catsandcheese if the wealthy leave as is what’s happening right now noone will be there to provide for the poorer. Even Blair understood that you start fucking about with pensioners private school inheritance farmers the whole picture starts changing really fast

Left leaning middle classes are quite the thing.

All of it yes absolutely

Bumped up 'elite border security', hotels, enforced return rather than voluntary return flights

Many left for ROI voluntarily that will have slowed down

Yes for those who cite Rwanda costs I'd like to see what Labour are spending now

As numbers go up

Yep Blair didn't do this. It's been a long time since we've had this kind of rhetoric and policy

The gov are learning on the job what not to do. Otherwise you get recession

Your first line says it all. Where does the money for public services come from?
They needed to go for growth, then look at higher taxes, not the other way around.